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Keisha Williams

K-1 Box 13k and Form 8990 for Partnership Interest Expense - Need Help!

I'm dealing with a partnership K-1 that has a box 13k amount of $92,300. From what I understand, the partnership had limited interest expense. I'm pretty confused about whether I need to file Form 8990 for my client or not. Do I need to determine if my client themselves is subject to limitation? Can I just deduct the $92,300 against their ordinary income? The instructions seem so vague and I'm still learning the ropes with these partnership returns. Any insights would be super helpful because I really don't want to miss something important here. The client is counting on me to get this right!

Paolo Conti

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The K-1 Box 13k represents the partner's share of business interest expense from the partnership, and yes, the rules around Form 8990 can be confusing! If the partnership is subject to the business interest expense limitation (which it appears to be based on your description), they should have included a statement with the K-1 indicating whether they've already applied the 163(j) limitation at the partnership level. If they did, then the amount in Box 13k is already limited and you don't need to file Form 8990 for your client. You can simply deduct that amount against ordinary income. However, if the partnership passed through the full amount without applying limitations, then you need to determine if your client is exempt from the limitation. If your client's average annual gross receipts for the prior 3 years is less than $27 million, they qualify for the small business exemption and can deduct the full amount without filing Form 8990.

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Amina Diallo

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Thanks for the explanation. What if there's no statement included with the K-1? And what about if the client has multiple businesses - do you combine all their gross receipts to determine if they're under that $27 million threshold? Also, does rental income count toward the gross receipts test?

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Paolo Conti

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If there's no statement with the K-1, you should contact the partnership to clarify whether they've already applied the limitation. Generally, they're required to provide this information, so it should be available. For the gross receipts test, yes, you would aggregate all businesses under common control to determine if the client meets the small business exemption. This includes income from all trades or businesses including rentals. However, certain rental activities can be excluded if the taxpayer makes a real property trade or business election, though this comes with other consequences like using ADS depreciation for the property.

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If you want to know whether you need to file Form 8990, look at the partnership's tax return (Form 1065). If they filed Form 8990 with their return, then they've already applied the limitation and the amount in Box 13k is your client's final deductible amount. You won't need to file Form 8990 yourself. But if the partnership didn't file Form 8990 because they're exempt (under $27M gross receipts), then your client might still need to file Form 8990 if they don't qualify for exemption themselves.

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Ravi Gupta

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How would someone get access to the partnership's 1065 if they're just preparing the return for an individual partner? Most clients don't have copies of the full partnership return, just their K-1...

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That's a fair point. In that case, you should contact the partnership's tax preparer directly. They're required to provide this information, and there should actually be a statement attached to the K-1 indicating whether the limitation was applied at the partnership level. If you can't get that information, you can also look at Box 20 of the K-1 for code AE, which would indicate the partnership is exempt from the limitation. If you see that code, then you'd need to determine if your client individually needs to file Form 8990 based on their own situation.

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GalacticGuru

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I just filed a return with this exact issue. The way I determined it: 1) If Box 13K has an amount AND the partnership included info saying they already applied 163(j) limitation, just deduct the amount as is. 2) If the partnership noted they're exempt from 163(j) (usually with code AE in Box 20), then check if your client is exempt too (under $27M gross receipts). If yes, deduct full amount. If no, file Form 8990. 3) If you're still confused, call the partnership's accountant! That's what I did and they had a detailed explanation ready.

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This makes sense. So basically if the partnership is exempt, the limitation "travels" to the partner level, but if they've already applied the limitation then it's done?

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Thanks everyone for the detailed explanations! This has been incredibly helpful. I'm dealing with a similar situation and want to make sure I understand the process correctly. From what I'm gathering, the key is to first determine whether the partnership has already applied the 163(j) limitation at their level. If they have, then the Box 13k amount is already limited and can be deducted directly on Schedule E without filing Form 8990. But if the partnership is exempt and passed through the full amount, then I need to evaluate whether my individual client qualifies for the small business exemption. One follow-up question: if my client does need to file Form 8990, does the Box 13k amount get entered on line 1a as "business interest expense" or does it go somewhere else on the form since it's coming from a pass-through entity? I want to make sure I'm not double-counting or missing anything in the calculation. Also, for the gross receipts test, when you say "businesses under common control" - does this include if my client owns rental properties through separate LLCs? The aggregation rules can get pretty complex.

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Aria Khan

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Great questions! For Form 8990, the Box 13k amount would actually go on line 1a as "business interest expense" - it's treated just like any other business interest expense for purposes of the limitation calculation. The form doesn't distinguish between direct business interest and pass-through interest. Regarding the aggregation rules, yes, rental properties held through separate LLCs would typically be aggregated if they're under common control. The general rule is that entities with more than 50% common ownership get aggregated for the gross receipts test. So if your client owns multiple LLCs, you'd need to combine their gross receipts to determine if they exceed the $27 million threshold. One thing to watch out for - make sure to check if there are any other pass-through entities involved. Sometimes clients have interest from multiple K-1s, and you'll need to aggregate all of that business interest expense on Form 8990 if they don't qualify for the small business exemption.

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FireflyDreams

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This is exactly the kind of complex partnership issue that trips up so many practitioners! I've been dealing with similar K-1 Box 13k situations lately, and the key insight that helped me was realizing that the partnership's treatment determines your next steps. Here's my practical approach: First, look for any statement or attachment that came with the K-1 - partnerships are supposed to indicate whether they've applied the 163(j) limitation. If they have, you're done - just deduct the $92,300 on Schedule E. If there's no clear indication, I'd recommend calling the partnership's preparer directly rather than guessing. For the gross receipts test, remember it's a 3-year average of ALL businesses under common control. So if your client has multiple entities or rental properties, you'll need to aggregate everything. The $27 million threshold applies to the combined total. One red flag I've learned to watch for: sometimes partnerships will put a note in Box 20 with code AE indicating they're exempt, but that doesn't mean your individual client is automatically exempt too. You still need to run the gross receipts test at the individual level. The good news is that once you work through this process a few times, the pattern becomes much clearer. Don't hesitate to reach out to the partnership if you need clarification - they should have this information readily available since other partners are probably asking the same questions!

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Andre Laurent

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This is really helpful guidance! I'm new to handling these partnership situations and appreciate the step-by-step approach. One thing I'm still unclear on - when you mention calling the partnership's preparer, what specific information should I be asking for? Should I request a copy of their Form 8990 if they filed one, or is there a standard statement they should provide? I want to make sure I'm asking the right questions so I don't seem completely lost when I call them. Also, you mentioned the 3-year average for gross receipts - is that based on the tax years or calendar years? My client has some seasonal rental income that varies significantly year to year, so I want to make sure I'm calculating this correctly.

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