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Giovanni Marino

Can I claim expense deductions for rental property rented less than 15 days?

Hey everyone, So here's my situation. I converted my primary home into a rental property on November 22, 2023. I spent about $6,000 fixing it up to get it ready for tenants (new paint, minor repairs, deep cleaning, etc). I'm using freetaxusa to file and I keep getting this annoying alert: "Less than 15 Days Rented Since the rental property was rented to others for fewer than 15 days, the IRS doesn't require you to report any rental income or allow you to deduct any rental expenses. Go back to the Your Rental Income form screen and delete this rental record." The thing is, I literally just started renting it out in late December, so obviously I didn't hit the 15-day threshold for 2023. But I still had all these expenses! If I delete the rental property form like it's telling me to do, will I somehow be able to deduct these expenses in the future? Or am I just totally out of luck on deducting these startup costs? Is there some other way to get these expenses deducted either now or in my 2024 taxes? Really confused about this and don't want to lose out on $6k worth of deductions!

You've run into a common but frustrating situation with rental properties. When you rent a property for less than 15 days in a tax year, the IRS treats it differently - you don't report income, but you also can't deduct rental expenses for that year. However, those startup expenses aren't necessarily lost forever! What you're dealing with are what the IRS considers "startup expenses" for your rental business. Since you converted your primary residence to a rental property, those costs to get it ready for rental are considered capital expenses, not regular rental expenses. These costs should be added to your property's basis and then depreciated over time once your rental activity officially begins. In your case, your rental business really begins in 2024 (assuming you're renting it regularly then). I recommend following the software's guidance to delete the rental for 2023, but keep detailed records of all those expenses. When you file your 2024 taxes, you'll include these startup costs as part of your rental property's basis for depreciation purposes. Make sure to document everything thoroughly in case of an audit.

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Dylan Hughes

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So if I understand correctly, these expenses won't be "lost" they'll just be rolled into the property basis and depreciated over time rather than deducted all at once? How long is the depreciation period? And do I need to keep the physical receipts or just digital records?

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Yes, that's exactly right. Rather than deducting them all at once, they become part of your property's tax basis and are depreciated over time. For residential rental property, the depreciation period is 27.5 years. For record keeping, the IRS accepts both physical and digital records. I personally recommend scanning all receipts and keeping them in a dedicated folder, along with a spreadsheet detailing each expense. The key is being able to prove both the amount and the business purpose of each expense if you're ever questioned.

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NightOwl42

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Wait does this actually work? I'm about to start renting a property and I'm confused about how to handle all my expenses. Does it just tell you what to do or actually help you file? And how accurate is it compared to like talking to a CPA?

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Dmitry Ivanov

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Zainab Ali

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Connor Murphy

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Another option to consider is whether any of those expenses might qualify as repairs rather than improvements. Repairs can potentially be deducted immediately once your rental activity begins, while improvements must be capitalized and depreciated. For example: - Painting is usually considered a repair - Fixing existing plumbing/electrical is a repair - Replacing carpet with similar quality carpet is often a repair But: - Adding new features (like a fence or deck) is an improvement - Upgrading to higher-end materials is an improvement - Renovating entire rooms is usually an improvement Keep this in mind when you're categorizing those expenses for your 2024 filing!

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Thanks for this breakdown! Some of my expenses were definitely repairs (fixing some plumbing issues, patching drywall) but others were more like improvements (new kitchen appliances, upgraded bathroom vanity). Should I separate these out somehow or just keep detailed notes for when I file next year?

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Connor Murphy

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Definitely separate them out now while everything is fresh in your mind. Create a spreadsheet with columns for the date, vendor, amount, description, and most importantly a column where you categorize each expense as either "repair" or "improvement." For the repairs, you'll likely be able to deduct those in 2024 when your rental activity is in full swing. For the improvements, those will go into your basis and be depreciated over time. Having this all organized now will save you massive headaches when tax time comes next year.

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Yara Nassar

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Has anyone used the TurboTax live expert feature for this kind of situation? I'm having a similar issue and wondering if it's worth the extra cost or if they just tell you generic advice you could find online.

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StarGazer101

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I tried it last year for a similar rental property question. The expert I got was okay but seemed rushed and didn't really address my specific situation. Gave me some general guidelines but nothing customized to my circumstances. For basic questions it's fine but for something complicated like this I'd go with a real CPA or even the taxr.ai thing others mentioned.

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Jean Claude

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I went through something very similar when I converted my home to a rental property mid-year. The 15-day rule is indeed frustrating, but don't worry - your expenses aren't lost! Here's what I learned after consulting with my CPA: Those $6k in expenses you mentioned are considered "startup costs" for your rental business. Since you didn't rent for 15+ days in 2023, you're right to delete the rental from your 2023 return per the software's guidance. For 2024, when you're actively renting, you have a few options: 1. Add all expenses to your property's basis and depreciate over 27.5 years 2. Make a Section 195 election to deduct up to $5,000 in startup expenses immediately in your first year of business, with the remainder amortized over 15 years The second option could be huge for you since you have $6k in expenses. You'd deduct $5k immediately in 2024 and spread the remaining $1k over 15 years. Make sure to categorize your expenses correctly between repairs (potentially immediately deductible once rental activity begins) versus improvements (must be capitalized). Keep detailed records of everything with receipts and descriptions. The key is that your rental business officially starts in 2024, not 2023, so that's when these rules kick in. Don't let the software trick you into thinking you've lost those deductions forever!

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