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Sophia Bennett

Tax Benefits for Short Term Rental Startup Without Income Yet

I want to share my situation to see if I can get some tax benefits for my rental startup efforts. So here's what's going on: Last year (2024), I was a full-time student with no W-2 income. In August, I rented a 2 bedroom/1 bath apartment with permission from my landlord to sublease one of the rooms on a short-term basis. From September through December, I invested money in completely furnishing that room, taking professional photos, and setting up listings on several rental platforms. I bought furniture, bedding, decorations, and even paid for premium listings on a couple of sites. The thing is, I didn't actually have any tenants staying in the room during 2024, so I didn't generate any rental income to report on my taxes. I've kept detailed records of everything I've spent (about $1,350 total) with receipts for all purchases. What I'm wondering is: Since I clearly made efforts to start a "business" with the intention of generating income, can I claim any tax benefits for these startup expenses even though I had no rental income in 2024? I'm also concerned that since I'm not the property owner (just the primary tenant with sublease permission), that might affect what I can claim. I've been researching online but finding conflicting information. Some sites say you can claim business startup costs even before making income, while others say you need actual business activity. Any insights would be super helpful!

Aiden Chen

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You've got a really good question here about startup expenses for your sublease venture. This is actually a common situation for new small businesses. The good news is that the IRS does recognize startup costs even before you generate income. These are called "startup expenditures" under Section 195 of the tax code. You can elect to deduct up to $5,000 of startup costs in the year your business actually begins operations, with any remaining amount amortized over 15 years. The key issue for you is determining when your business actually "began operating." Since you were actively trying to rent the room (creating listings, furnishing it for rental purposes), you could reasonably argue that your business began in 2024, even without income. However, you would need to show genuine and continuous efforts to attract tenants. The fact that you're not the property owner doesn't necessarily prevent you from claiming these expenses, as long as you have documented permission to sublease and you're the one bearing the business expenses. Your arrangement is essentially a rental arbitrage business model. Just keep in mind that if you claim these as business expenses, you're establishing this as a business activity, which means you'll need to report any future income and continue filing the appropriate business tax forms going forward.

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Zoey Bianchi

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This is helpful info, but I'm confused about how they would actually report this on their tax return. Would they use Schedule C since they're not the property owner? And should they be filing for an EIN as a business entity or just use their SSN?

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Aiden Chen

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For reporting, you would most likely use Schedule C (Profit or Loss from Business) since this would be considered self-employment activity. You can list your business type as "rental arbitrage" or "short-term rental management." You don't necessarily need an EIN - using your SSN is perfectly fine for a sole proprietorship, which is the default business classification unless you've specifically set up another entity type. Since you'll be showing a loss for the first year, make sure you can demonstrate that this is a genuine business attempt and not just a hobby. Keep records of your marketing efforts, communications with potential renters, and business planning documents to show your profit motive.

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Something else to consider - make sure you're keeping track of all your mileage when you're running errands for your rental business. I do something similar with a couple of units and I track every mile when I'm buying supplies, checking on the property, meeting potential guests, etc. The standard mileage deduction adds up quickly! Also, depending on your situation, you might want to look into forming an LLC for liability protection. In some states it's pretty cheap (like $50 annual fee in my state) and it creates a more clear separation between your personal and business finances.

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Thanks for the mileage tip! I've actually been tracking some of that already, but wasn't sure if it would qualify since I'm not the property owner. Do you know if there's a minimum amount of business activity needed before you can start claiming mileage? And do you have any recommended apps for tracking?

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There's no minimum business activity requirement for tracking mileage - as long as the trips are genuinely for business purposes, you can deduct them from day one of your business operations. The current rate for 2025 is 67 cents per mile, which adds up quickly! I use MileIQ app which automatically tracks my drives and lets me categorize them as business or personal with a simple swipe. Some people also use Everlance or just a simple paper log with dates, starting/ending mileage, and the business purpose of each trip. The key is consistency in your record-keeping.

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Has anyone considered the tax implications if this is technically an illegal sublet? Not accusing OP of anything, but many leases prohibit subletting even if you get verbal "permission." If the landlord hasn't formally amended the lease or provided written permission, the IRS might disallow the deductions since you can't claim business expenses for an illegal activity. Just something to consider...

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This is a really good point. The IRS publication 535 on Business Expenses specifically states that expenses related to illegal activities that violate public policy aren't deductible. OP should definitely get that sublease permission in writing if they haven't already!

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Ethan Scott

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Just FYI, if you're planning to continue this business, you should look into whether you need to collect and remit sales/lodging taxes. Even if platforms like Airbnb handle this in some jurisdictions, others require you to register directly with the state/local tax authorities. I learned this the hard way and ended up owing back taxes plus penalties 😩

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Great question about startup expenses! I've been working in tax preparation for several years and see this situation frequently with rental businesses. You're absolutely right to track these expenses - the IRS does allow deductions for legitimate business startup costs under Section 195, even before you generate income. The key is demonstrating genuine business intent and activity, which it sounds like you clearly have with your furnished room, professional photos, and active listings. A few important considerations for your specific situation: 1. **Documentation is crucial** - Keep all receipts, photos of your setup process, screenshots of your listings, and any correspondence about potential bookings. This proves your business intent. 2. **Subletting legality** - Make sure you have written permission from your landlord for subletting. The IRS won't allow deductions for activities that violate local laws or lease agreements. 3. **Business vs. personal use** - Only expenses directly related to the rental business are deductible. If you bought items that could be used personally (like a TV), you'll need to allocate the expense based on business use percentage. 4. **Schedule C reporting** - You'll likely file Schedule C for this business activity, showing your startup expenses as a loss for 2024. Since you're just starting out, I'd strongly recommend getting professional tax advice to ensure you're setting up your record-keeping correctly from the beginning. The small cost upfront can save you from much larger problems later!

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Sayid Hassan

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I'm curious about the business vs personal use allocation you mentioned. For something like furniture in the rental room - if I occasionally use that room when it's not booked (like for storage or as a guest room for family), how would I calculate the business percentage? Is it based on days rented vs days available, or is there a different method the IRS prefers?

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