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Emily Thompson

Can I claim QBI deduction on royalty payments from former employer's patent filing?

I worked as a W2 employee for a tech company until mid-2023, and left to pursue other opportunities. During my time there, I contributed to some innovative work that the company has now filed a patent for. Recently, I received a payment as part of their inventor reward program - they apparently pay all contributors when they file patents, even if you're no longer with the company. Nice surprise! The thing is, they sent me a 1099-MISC with the payment listed in Box 2 as "Royalties" (around $4,800). I'm trying to figure out if this qualifies for the QBI deduction since it's not W2 income. My gut feeling is that it probably doesn't qualify since I created the IP while I was their employee, and the work was done as part of my regular job duties. But I wanted to check with people who might know better before I file my taxes. Has anyone dealt with this situation before? Am I eligible for the QBI deduction on these royalty payments?

You're right to question this. The Qualified Business Income (QBI) deduction typically applies to income from a trade or business, not income derived from work performed as an employee. In your case, even though you're receiving royalties reported on a 1099-MISC, the key factor is that the intellectual property was created within the scope of your employment. The IRS would likely view this as an extension of your employment relationship rather than income from an independent business activity. For QBI purposes, the source of the income matters more than how it's currently being paid. Since the patent work was done while you were a W2 employee, these royalties wouldn't qualify for the QBI deduction. That said, you should still report this income correctly on Schedule E as royalty income, but don't include it on your Schedule C or for QBI calculation purposes.

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Daniela Rossi

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What if the patent work was partially done on their own time, like evenings or weekends? Would that change anything for QBI purposes? And does it matter if the employer's patent policy specifically mentioned they'd pay royalties to inventors?

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If you did significant work on your own time that wasn't part of your employment duties, that could potentially change the analysis. However, most employment contracts specify that inventions related to the company's business belong to the employer regardless of when you worked on them. The key question would be whether your employment agreement allowed you to retain any ownership rights in inventions. Regarding the employer's patent policy, the fact that they call it a royalty payment doesn't automatically make it eligible for QBI. The IRS looks at the economic reality of the transaction. If the company owns 100% of the patent rights and is simply providing compensation to reward inventors, it's still fundamentally connected to your prior employment relationship.

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Ryan Kim

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Sounds interesting. Does the tool give actual tax advice or just help you organize documents? I'm curious because I have some complicated income streams this year including some royalty payments from books.

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I'm skeptical about these AI tax tools. How can you be sure the advice is correct? Did you double-check with a human tax professional? I don't want to rely on some algorithm for potentially thousands in deductions.

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Ryan Kim

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The tool actually does both - it organizes your documents but also provides specific guidance based on tax codes and regulations. For your book royalties, it would identify those as a different category from employment-related royalties and explain how they should be treated. I did verify with a CPA afterward, and they confirmed everything the tool suggested was correct. The advantage is that the AI can instantly compare your situation against thousands of tax scenarios and regulations. It doesn't replace human expertise completely, but it's incredibly helpful for identifying which rules apply to your specific situation before you talk to a professional.

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Another consideration: if the payment was truly just a bonus for being named on the patent application rather than an ongoing royalty stream, it might not even be properly classified as "royalties" to begin with. Some companies have inventor reward programs that pay a fixed amount when patents are filed or granted. These are more like bonuses than true royalties since they're not tied to the commercial success or licensing of the patent. In that case, it might be more accurately reported as "Other Income" rather than royalties. Still not QBI eligible, but the tax treatment could be slightly different.

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This is actually exactly how their program works! It's a one-time payment when the patent is filed, not based on how successful the patent becomes. Do you know if that changes how I should report it? The 1099-MISC still lists it in Box 2 as royalties.

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You should generally report income according to how it's listed on your tax forms to avoid mismatches that could trigger IRS notices. Since your company reported it in Box 2 as royalties, you should report it as royalty income on Schedule E. If you believe the payment is more accurately characterized as a bonus or award rather than a royalty, you could include a brief explanation with your tax return. However, the practical difference in tax treatment between royalty income and other income is minimal in most cases - both are subject to ordinary income tax rates but not self-employment tax.

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Nick Kravitz

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Slight tangent but still relevant - make sure you understand the difference between a patent filing and a patent being granted. They're different stages in the process. Some companies pay when patents are filed, others only when they're granted (which can take years), and some pay at both stages. Might be worth checking if you'll get another payment if/when the patent is actually granted!

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Hannah White

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This is a really good point. My previous employer had a tiered system - $2k when filed, $5k when granted, and then a percentage of licensing revenue if it ever generated any. Worth checking your former employer's policy.

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