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Saleem Vaziri

Can I claim Foreign Tax Credit AND Standard Deduction on US taxes as expat?

I've been living and working in Germany for a few years now and I'm trying to figure out my US tax situation as a citizen abroad. I'm planning to use the Foreign Tax Credit (FTC) to offset the taxes I pay here in Germany against my US tax obligations. The thing is, I also have some investments back in the States that generate dividends - nothing huge, maybe $1,500 or so annually. Obviously these dividends won't be covered by the FTC since they're US-sourced income. What I'm trying to understand is: can I still claim the standard deduction on my US tax return to reduce my overall income (which would include both my German salary and those US dividends) and THEN apply the FTC? I'm thinking if I can do that, my US tax bill might actually end up at zero. Has anyone dealt with this scenario before? I've been reading through IRS publications but it's getting pretty confusing with all the different rules for expats.

Yes, you absolutely can claim both the standard deduction AND the Foreign Tax Credit! This is actually a common strategy for US expats. Here's how it works: First, you report all your worldwide income on your US tax return (your German salary plus those US dividends). Then you take the standard deduction (which is $13,850 for single filers in 2025) against your total income. After that, you calculate your US tax liability on the remaining taxable income. Finally, you apply the Foreign Tax Credit against that US tax liability. The key thing to understand is that the standard deduction reduces your income before the tax is calculated, while the FTC reduces the actual tax due. They work at different stages of the tax calculation process, so they don't conflict with each other. Given that your US-sourced dividends are only around $1,500, the standard deduction will likely wipe out all your US tax liability before you even need to apply the FTC, resulting in zero US tax owed - exactly as you suspected!

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Thanks for the explanation! Quick follow-up: does it matter how I allocate the standard deduction? Like, should I apply it first to my US dividend income before my foreign income, or does it just reduce the total combined amount?

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The standard deduction isn't allocated to specific types of income - it simply reduces your total income regardless of source. The IRS doesn't care which "dollars" the standard deduction is applied to. So when you file your return, you'll report your worldwide income (German salary + US dividends), subtract the standard deduction, and that gives you your taxable income. The tax calculation doesn't distinguish between which part of your income was reduced by the deduction.

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One thing to keep in mind with the FTC: make sure you're filling out Form 1116 correctly. I made a mistake last year where I didn't properly separate my passive income (dividends) from my general income (salary), and it reduced the amount of FTC I could claim. Also consider that if your foreign tax rate in Germany is higher than the US rate (which is likely), you might generate excess credits that you can carry forward for up to 10 years. This can be helpful if your situation changes in the future.

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That's a great point about the excess credits. Do you know if having excess credits that I carry forward would trigger any additional scrutiny or audit risk from the IRS? I'm trying to keep things as straightforward as possible.

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In my experience, carrying forward excess foreign tax credits doesn't increase audit risk by itself. It's actually quite common for expats living in high-tax countries like Germany to have excess credits. Just make sure you keep good records of how you calculated your foreign tax credit each year, including documentation of taxes paid to Germany. The most important thing is consistency in how you report year after year - sudden unexplained changes in methodology are what tend to raise flags, not the fact that you're carrying forward credits.

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Don't forget that you need to file FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) if your foreign bank accounts exceed $10,000 combined at any point during the year! This is separate from your tax return and has crazy high penalties if you forget to file. My partner and I almost got caught out by this when we moved to Denmark. We filed our taxes correctly with the FTC and standard deduction (which did result in $0 owed, exactly like you're hoping for), but completely missed the FBAR requirement until someone mentioned it to us.

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And don't forget FATCA Form 8938 if your assets are over the threshold! The thresholds are different depending on if you're filing single or jointly and if you're living abroad or in the US. I think it's like $200k for single filers living abroad but double check that.

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This is exactly the situation I was in last year! Yes, you can definitely use both the standard deduction AND the Foreign Tax Credit - they work together, not against each other. Here's what happened in my case (I'm in the UK with similar US dividend income): I reported all my worldwide income, took the standard deduction which brought my taxable income way down, and then applied the FTC to cover any remaining tax liability from my foreign earnings. Since your US dividends are only $1,500 and the standard deduction is $13,850, you'll likely have very little (if any) taxable income left to apply the FTC against. One tip: make sure you understand which "basket" your income falls into for Form 1116 purposes. Your salary will be "general income" but your dividends will be "passive income" - they need to be calculated separately on the form. The foreign taxes you paid in Germany can only offset US tax on the same type of income. Also, keep excellent records of all taxes paid to Germany throughout the year. You'll need this documentation for the FTC calculation and it's much easier to collect as you go rather than trying to reconstruct it at tax time!

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This is super helpful! I'm new to expat taxes and had no idea about the different "baskets" for Form 1116. So if I understand correctly, my German salary taxes can only offset the US tax on my German salary income, and can't be used to offset taxes on my US dividend income? That seems like it could complicate things if the amounts don't line up perfectly. Also, do you know if there's a minimum threshold for foreign taxes paid before you can claim the FTC? I'm wondering if it's even worth the complexity of Form 1116 for smaller amounts of foreign tax paid.

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