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Jessica Suarez

US taxes as a US citizen living abroad - filing requirements with investments but no US income?

Hey everyone, I'm in a bit of a tax confusion situation and hoping some of you might have experience with this! I'm 32 and moved from the US to Germany when I was 12, so I've spent most of my life abroad. I've never actually worked in the US, but I do have a US investment account I opened back in October 2022 that's now worth about $6000. I just started my career as a veterinarian here in Germany after finishing school. All my income is earned in Germany, I pay German taxes, and everything gets deducted automatically from my paycheck like all my German colleagues. What I'm confused about is whether I need to file anything for US taxes? I don't have any US-based income, never worked for a US company, and have never been contacted by the IRS about filing anything. But I know the US taxes based on citizenship, not residency, so I'm wondering if I'm missing something important here. Appreciate any advice from folks who've dealt with this kind of situation!

Living abroad doesn't exempt you from US tax filing requirements. As a US citizen, you're required to file a tax return annually regardless of where you live or earn income. This is because the US taxes based on citizenship, not residency. For your situation, you should file Form 1040 (US individual tax return) and Form 8938 (Statement of Foreign Financial Assets) if you meet the threshold. You'll also need to file FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) if your foreign accounts exceed $10,000 at any point during the year. The good news is there are provisions to prevent double taxation: the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (Form 2555) allows you to exclude up to $120,000 (for 2023) of foreign earnings from US taxation, and the Foreign Tax Credit (Form 1116) gives you credit for taxes paid to Germany. Your US investment account will generate a 1099 form reporting dividends, interest, or capital gains, which you'll need to report on your US tax return regardless of these exclusions.

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Thanks for the info! Quick question - if OP has literally never filed taxes before despite being 32, will they be in trouble with the IRS? And does the FBAR requirement apply if all they have is the US investment account worth $6000?

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Regarding potential issues with never having filed before, the IRS is generally more concerned with collecting taxes owed than penalizing non-filers who don't actually owe taxes. With the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion and Foreign Tax Credits, many Americans abroad end up owing zero US taxes. In this case, getting compliant through the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures could help avoid penalties. The FBAR requirement only applies to foreign financial accounts (non-US accounts). Since the investment account mentioned is in the US, it wouldn't count toward the $10,000 FBAR threshold. However, any German bank accounts, pension accounts, or investment accounts would count toward this threshold.

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How does this work with the foreign bank account reporting stuff? I'm in a similar situation but in Canada and I've heard horror stories about massive penalties for not filing those FBAR forms.

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Don't forget about state taxes too! Some states are really aggressive about claiming you as a resident even after you've moved abroad. Especially California, New York, Virginia, and South Carolina. If you maintained any connections to your home state (driver's license, voter registration, bank accounts), they might consider you still a resident for tax purposes.

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This is a good point I hadn't considered! My last US address was in Florida before moving to Germany. I still have my Florida driver's license though it's expired now. Would I still need to worry about state tax issues even though Florida doesn't have state income tax?

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You're in a good position having your last residence in Florida since they don't have state income tax. States without income tax (like Florida, Texas, Nevada, etc.) don't generally pursue former residents for tax purposes. The bigger concern is for people from high-tax states like California or New York, where state tax authorities sometimes argue that you never truly "left" if you maintain certain connections. In your case with Florida, as long as you're filing your federal returns properly, you shouldn't have to worry about state tax complications.

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An important note that hasn't been mentioned: if you have any non-US mutual funds or ETFs in Germany, be VERY careful as these are considered PFICs (Passive Foreign Investment Companies) by the IRS and have terrible tax treatment and complex reporting requirements.

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This is so true! I got absolutely destroyed on taxes because I had UK investment funds that were classified as PFICs. The forms are ridiculously complicated (Form 8621) and the taxation is punitive compared to US-based investments. I ended up selling all my foreign funds and only investing through US brokerages now.

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