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Evelyn Kelly

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Everyone's making this more complicated than it needs to be. An Accountable Plan is just a fancy way of saying "we reimburse business expenses properly." On the 1120S, you just put the expenses wherever they'd normally go. Travel on Line 12, repairs on Line 14, etc. The IRS doesn't care that it was reimbursed under an Accountable Plan - they just care that it was a legitimate business expense properly documented. The Accountable Plan benefits the EMPLOYEE by making the reimbursement non-taxable to them.

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Paloma Clark

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This is the most straightforward explanation in this whole thread. Thanks! I was making this way more complicated than it needed to be.

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Ruby Knight

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Thanks everyone for the helpful responses! I just wanted to add one more tip that helped me with our S-corp Accountable Plan setup. Make sure you're keeping separate records for your Accountable Plan reimbursements versus regular payroll expenses, even though they both end up as business deductions on the 1120S. I learned this the hard way when our bookkeeper mixed some reimbursements in with regular wages on our payroll records. It created a mess because those reimbursements were supposed to be non-taxable to the employee under the Accountable Plan, but they got processed as taxable wages instead. We had to file corrected W-2s and it was a nightmare. Now I have a completely separate tracking system for all Accountable Plan activity - receipts, approval documentation, reimbursement records, everything. It makes tax preparation much smoother and gives you rock-solid documentation if you ever get audited. The IRS really focuses on whether you can prove the plan was administered correctly, not just that you had one on paper.

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Ellie Perry

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This is such an important point about keeping separate records! I'm just getting started with setting up our Accountable Plan and I can already see how easy it would be to mix these up with regular payroll. Do you use any specific software or system for tracking the Accountable Plan stuff separately, or is it just a matter of creating different folders/categories in whatever bookkeeping system you're already using? I'm worried about making the same mistake you described with the W-2 corrections - that sounds like a huge headache to fix after the fact.

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Ana Rusula

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Has anyone tried the Free File Fillable Forms on the IRS website for older returns? I wonder if that would work instead of paying for old TurboTax versions.

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Fidel Carson

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Free File Fillable Forms are only available for the current tax year. So right now in 2025, they're only available for 2024 returns. For 2018 or other previous years, you'd need to either: 1) Use tax software for that specific year 2) Download the PDF forms for that specific tax year from the IRS website and fill them out manually 3) Use a tax professional

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Ana Rusula

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Thanks for clarifying! Looks like I'll have to either buy the old software or try to fill out the PDFs manually. Appreciate the help.

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For anyone still struggling with this, I want to emphasize what others have said about the 3-year E-File window. The IRS is very strict about this - once October 15th passes for any given tax year, that year's E-File system permanently closes. However, there's one important thing to keep in mind: if you're filing these old returns because you owe money, interest and penalties continue to accrue until you file and pay. So even though you have to mail paper returns, don't delay getting them submitted. Also, if you're expecting refunds on these old returns, be aware that you generally only have 3 years from the original due date to claim a refund. For 2018, that deadline was April 15, 2022 (with some COVID extensions), so any 2018 refunds may already be forfeited. You should still file for record-keeping purposes, but don't expect a refund check. Make sure to send your paper returns via certified mail so you have proof the IRS received them!

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Alfredo Lugo

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This is really helpful information, especially about the refund deadlines! I had no idea there was a 3-year limit on claiming refunds. That's a pretty big deal for anyone who might be owed money from those older years. Quick question about the certified mail - do you need to send it to a specific IRS address, or just the regular processing center for your state? I want to make sure my 2019 return gets to the right place when I mail it. Also, for anyone reading this who might be in a similar situation - I learned the hard way that even if you can't E-File, you should still try to get your returns done as soon as possible. The IRS can be pretty understanding about late filing if you're proactive about it, but waiting just makes everything more complicated.

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Sean Kelly

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Great discussion here! I've been managing multiple Roth IRAs for years and learned some of these lessons the hard way. One additional tip I'd add is to set up automatic contribution limits within each brokerage account if they offer that feature. For example, if you know you want to split your $6,500 annual limit between two accounts, you can often set up automatic investments that will stop once you hit your predetermined amount for each account (like $3,250 each). This prevents the accidental over-contribution scenario that Maria faced. Also, keep in mind that if your income changes during the year and you become ineligible for Roth contributions due to income limits, that's another way to accidentally over-contribute even if you're tracking the dollar amounts correctly. The income limits for 2025 phase out between $146,000-$161,000 for single filers, so it's worth double-checking your projected income if you're anywhere near those thresholds.

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This is really helpful advice! I didn't know some brokerages offered automatic contribution limits. Do you know if the major ones like Fidelity, Vanguard, and Charles Schwab have this feature? That would definitely save me from having to manually track everything in a spreadsheet. Also, your point about income limits is something I hadn't considered. If someone's income unexpectedly increases during the year (like from a bonus or job change), they could accidentally become ineligible for Roth contributions entirely. Would they need to convert those contributions to traditional IRA contributions, or is removal still the best option in that case?

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Yes, all three of those major brokerages offer contribution limit features! Fidelity calls it "Annual Contribution Limit" in their automatic investment settings, Vanguard has "Annual Contribution Tracking" that will alert you when you're approaching limits, and Schwab offers "Contribution Limit Monitoring" that can pause automatic investments once you hit your set amount. Regarding income limits - if your income unexpectedly increases and makes you ineligible for Roth contributions, you actually have a few options. You can do a "recharacterization" to convert the Roth contributions to traditional IRA contributions (assuming you're eligible for traditional IRA deductions), or you can remove the excess contributions entirely. The recharacterization might be better tax-wise if you're eligible since you wouldn't lose the tax-advantaged space entirely. You'd need to contact your brokerage to handle either option properly. The key is catching it before the tax filing deadline (or extension deadline) to avoid penalties. This is why tracking projected income throughout the year is so important if you're anywhere near those phase-out ranges.

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This has been such an informative thread! As someone who just opened my second Roth IRA account at a different brokerage, I was completely unaware of how easy it would be to accidentally over-contribute. The point about Form 5498 not being available until May is particularly eye-opening - I always file my taxes in February, so I would have never caught an over-contribution through those forms. I'm definitely going to set up that contribution limit tracking that was mentioned. It's reassuring to know that the major brokerages have built-in features to help prevent this issue. I think I'll also start using a simple tracking spreadsheet as a backup, just to be extra safe. One question I have: if someone realizes they over-contributed but it's a relatively small amount (like $50-100), is it still worth going through the hassle of the excess contribution withdrawal? Or would it sometimes make more sense to just pay the 6% penalty, especially if the withdrawal process is complicated?

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Hannah White

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I actually had this exact issue with a /ES futures spread last year. The trick is to reverse how you think about the short position. For Form 6781: 1. For the short position: Put the amount you RECEIVED when opening the position as the PROCEEDS, and the amount you PAID to close it as the COST. 2. For the long position: Put the amount you PAID when opening as the COST, and the amount you RECEIVED when closing as the PROCEEDS. This way both will calculate correctly - the long showing a gain and the short showing a loss.

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This is super helpful! Quick question though - for the portion that was marked-to-market at year end but not actually closed, do you still report it this way? And then do you have a second entry for when you actually closed the position the following year?

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Yes, for positions marked-to-market at year end but not actually closed, you need two separate entries. First entry: treat it as if you closed on Dec 31 at fair market value - for the short position, use the Dec 31 value as your "cost" and the original amount received as "proceeds." Second entry: for the actual closing in the following year, your new "cost basis" becomes that Dec 31 fair market value, and your "proceeds" are what you actually received when closing. So if you held a short put past year end, you'd have one Form 6781 entry showing the deemed close on Dec 31, and then when you file next year's taxes, another entry showing the actual close using the Dec 31 value as your starting point. This ensures each tax year captures the correct portion of the gain/loss.

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I ran into this exact same issue with SPX spreads last year and it was incredibly frustrating until I figured out the correct approach. The key insight that finally made it click for me was understanding that for short positions on Form 6781, you're essentially reporting a "reverse transaction" - what you received becomes proceeds, what you paid becomes cost. For your specific situation with the SPX put spread: - Short 4950 put: Proceeds = amount you received when opening the short position, Cost = amount you paid to close it (resulting in your $320 loss) - Long 4850 put: Cost = amount you paid when opening, Proceeds = amount you received when closing (resulting in your $215 gain) The mark-to-market rule is crucial here. Since you held these past December 31st, you need to report the "deemed sale" at fair market value on Dec 31 for this tax year's return. Then when you file next year, you'll report the actual closing transactions using the Dec 31 values as your new basis. Most tax software struggles with this, but the underlying tax treatment is straightforward once you understand the mechanics. The 60/40 split applies to each leg separately, so you'll get the favorable tax treatment on both the gain and loss portions.

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Axel Bourke

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This has been such an incredibly thorough and helpful discussion! I'm in a very similar situation with my company's non-standard benefit year, and reading through everyone's experiences has given me so much confidence about navigating this transition. A few key takeaways that I think are worth highlighting for anyone else in this situation: 1. **Month-by-month eligibility is the golden rule** - You can absolutely have HSA contributions for part of the year and FSA contributions for another part, as long as they don't overlap in the same month. 2. **Proration is crucial** - If you're only HSA-eligible for 4 months (Jan-Apr), you can only contribute 4/12 of the annual limit, not the full amount. 3. **Documentation is your friend** - Keep detailed records of everything, especially if your HR department is as confused as mine has been! 4. **Strategic timing matters** - Think about when to incur medical expenses based on which account will give you the best tax advantage and fund availability. The practical tips about record-keeping, the IRS Publication 969 reference, and especially the real-world calculation examples have been invaluable. It's amazing how much clearer this all becomes when you see people who have actually been through it share their experiences. Thanks to everyone for making this such a comprehensive resource - this thread should be required reading for anyone dealing with HSA/FSA transitions and non-calendar benefit years!

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This is an excellent summary! As someone just starting to research this topic, having those key takeaways laid out so clearly is incredibly helpful. The month-by-month eligibility rule seems to be the foundation that everything else builds on. I'm particularly glad you highlighted the proration point - I think that's where a lot of people (myself included) might make costly mistakes if they assume they can contribute the full annual amount just because they're eligible for part of the year. Your point about strategic timing is really smart too. I hadn't thought about actively planning when to schedule certain medical expenses based on which account would be available and most beneficial to use. This whole thread has been like getting a masterclass in HSA/FSA transitions from people who have actually lived through it. So much more valuable than the generic information you typically find online or get from benefits departments. Thanks for pulling together those key points - I'm definitely saving this as my reference guide!

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This has been an absolutely fantastic thread! As someone who's been lurking in this community for a while, I'm impressed by the depth and quality of advice shared here. I wanted to add one small detail that might help others - when you're making the HSA to FSA transition, double-check whether your employer offers any "bridge" coverage options during the transition period. Some larger employers have supplemental plans or gap coverage that can help ensure there's no interruption in your benefits eligibility. Also, for anyone still feeling overwhelmed by all the calculations and rules, I'd recommend scheduling a quick call with your HSA provider's customer service team in addition to reading IRS Publication 969. Many HSA administrators have specialists who deal with exactly these transition scenarios and can walk you through the math specific to your situation. They often have internal tools that make the proration calculations much simpler than doing it manually. The community knowledge sharing here has been incredible - from the practical record-keeping tips to the strategic expense timing advice. It's clear that many of us have learned these lessons the hard way, so sharing that experience really helps others avoid common pitfalls. Thanks to @Julia Hall for starting such an important discussion, and to everyone who contributed their expertise. This thread is going to help so many people navigate these complex benefit transitions!

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