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I really appreciate everyone's detailed responses here! This is exactly the kind of guidance I needed. It sounds like my main mistakes were: 1. Both my wife and I claiming our child on our separate W-4s (should only be one of us) 2. Not completing Step 4c with the additional withholding amount from the Multiple Jobs Worksheet @Freya Larsen - your explanation about the child tax credit being claimed twice makes perfect sense now. No wonder we're underwithholding! I think I'll start with the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator that @QuantumQuest and @CyberNinja mentioned since it's free and seems to handle the complexity of dual-income situations automatically. If that doesn't work out or I run into issues, I might consider some of the other services mentioned. One follow-up question: when I update our W-4s, should I submit the changes right away or wait until the start of the next payroll period? I want to make sure we start withholding correctly ASAP but don't want to mess up any current payroll processing. Thanks again everyone - this community is incredibly helpful!
You should definitely submit the updated W-4s as soon as possible! Most payroll systems can handle mid-cycle changes, and the sooner you get the correct withholding started, the less you'll potentially owe next year. Just make sure to coordinate with your wife so you're both submitting your updated forms around the same time - you don't want a situation where one spouse is withholding correctly while the other is still using the old (incorrect) withholding amounts for several pay periods. Most HR departments are pretty quick about processing W-4 updates since it's such a common request. The changes typically take effect with the next full pay period after submission. Good luck getting this sorted out!
Great advice from everyone here! I went through this exact same situation a couple years ago and learned some hard lessons. One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned much - if you're making these W-4 corrections mid-year (like now in April), you might want to consider having a bit more withheld than the calculators suggest since you've already been underwithholding for several months. The IRS estimator and other tools assume you're starting fresh at the beginning of the year. Since you've potentially been underwithholding since January, you might need to "catch up" with slightly higher withholding for the remaining pay periods. Also, don't forget that if you end up owing more than $1,000 when you file next year, you could face underpayment penalties even if you fix your W-4 now. The IRS generally wants you to pay at least 90% of your current year tax liability or 100% of last year's liability (whichever is smaller) through withholding and estimated payments. Keep good records of when you made the W-4 changes - this documentation can be helpful if you need to explain any underpayment situations to the IRS later.
This is such an important point about the mid-year corrections! I hadn't thought about the "catch up" withholding needed when you're making changes partway through the year. @Jenna Sloan - when you say to withhold a bit more than the calculators suggest, do you have a rule of thumb for how much extra? Like should I add an extra $50-100 per paycheck, or is there a more systematic way to calculate the catch-up amount? Also, your point about the underpayment penalties is really concerning. Since we ve'been underwithholding since January, we re'probably already behind on our 2025 tax obligations. Would it make sense to also make a quarterly estimated payment for Q1 to cover the shortfall from the first few months, or just rely on increased withholding for the rest of the year? I really wish someone had explained all these nuances when I first started filling out W-4s. The form makes it seem so straightforward but there are so many ways to mess it up!
As someone who just joined this community specifically because of IRS phone frustrations, I can't express how grateful I am for this thread! I've been dreading making a call about my missing stimulus payment credit for weeks after hearing all the horror stories about endless hold times. Reading through everyone's success stories with the 7am Eastern strategy has completely changed my approach. I was planning to call during my lunch break (terrible idea based on what I've learned here), but now I'm setting my alarm for 4am Pacific tomorrow to try the early morning method. I've already printed my tax transcript, highlighted my AGI, and downloaded the IRS2Go app based on all the preparation tips shared here. The checklist idea from the recent posts is genius too - I'm making one tonight with all my reference numbers and key dates so I don't fumble around when I finally get connected. It's honestly mind-blowing that we need this level of strategic planning just to talk to someone about our taxes, but I'm so thankful this community has figured out what actually works. The transformation from 3+ hour failed attempts to 20-30 minute successful calls gives me hope that there's light at the end of this tunnel. I'll definitely report back with my results to add to the success stories (fingers crossed!). Thank you all for turning this from a nightmare into a manageable challenge with proven strategies!
Welcome to the community, Sean! Your preparation sounds absolutely perfect - you've clearly absorbed all the best strategies from this thread. The fact that you're willing to wake up at 4am Pacific shows you're serious about getting this resolved, and based on all the success stories here, that early morning timing really is the key. Your situation with the missing stimulus payment credit is exactly the kind of issue that benefits from having all your documentation ready beforehand. Those cases can get complex quickly, so having your transcript and all reference numbers organized will make a huge difference when you're talking to the agent. The strategic planning aspect really is ridiculous - it shouldn't take military-level coordination just to get tax help - but at least this community has cracked the code! I'm confident you'll have success tomorrow morning. The pattern of people going from weeks of dread and failed attempts to quick resolution with the 7am strategy is really encouraging. Definitely come back and let us know how it goes! Each success story helps validate these strategies for future people who find this thread in desperation. Good luck with your 4am wake-up call - you've got all the tools you need to make this work!
I'm so glad I found this thread! I've been putting off calling the IRS for three weeks now because every time I psyche myself up to deal with their phone system, I remember the last time I spent 2.5 hours on hold only to get disconnected when I was transferred to a "specialist." Reading through all these success stories with the 7am Eastern strategy is giving me actual hope for the first time. I'm dealing with a 1099 correction that's preventing my return from processing, and I've been dreading the call because I assumed it would be an all-day ordeal. I'm definitely trying the early morning approach on Wednesday - alarm set for 4:00am Pacific (ugh, but worth it!). Already have my tax transcript printed and organized all my documentation tonight. The preparation tips here are incredible - I never would have thought to have my AGI ready or download the IRS2Go app beforehand. It's absolutely insane that we need PhD-level strategy just to get basic tax help, but I'm so grateful this community has figured out what actually works. The transformation stories from hours of failed attempts to 20-30 minute successful calls are exactly the motivation I needed to finally tackle this. Thanks everyone for sharing your hard-won wisdom - this thread is legitimately more helpful than anything on the IRS website!
Has anyone used TurboTax to report trustee fees and expenses? Does it walk you through where to put this stuff or do I need to use a CPA? I'm getting a modest fee ($8,000) for handling my mom's trust but spent about $2,100 on expenses.
I used TurboTax last year for my trustee income. It actually handled it pretty well. When you get to the income section, it asks about different types of income and there's an option for self-employment or business income. That's where I entered my trustee fees. Then it walks you through business expenses where you can deduct your trustee-related costs. Just make sure to answer the questions accurately about how active your trustee role is. That determines whether it guides you to Schedule C or "other income.
I'm currently going through a similar situation as successor trustee for my grandmother's estate. One thing I learned from my tax preparer is that the IRS Publication 559 (Survivors, Executors, and Administrators) has specific guidance on trustee fees and deductible expenses. For your $3,200 in expenses, the key is that they must be "ordinary and necessary" for administering the trust. Travel costs to manage trust property, office supplies for record-keeping, and postage for beneficiary communications typically qualify. However, the value of your unpaid time off work is not deductible. Whether you use Schedule C or report as "other income" depends on the scope and nature of your trustee activities. If you're actively managing properties, making investment decisions, or running a business within the trust, Schedule C is likely appropriate. If your role is more passive oversight, "other income" might be correct. Given the complexity and the potential tax implications, I'd recommend getting clarity from your CPA before filing. The difference in how you report this could affect both your income tax and self-employment tax liability.
Thank you for mentioning IRS Publication 559! I just downloaded it and it's incredibly helpful for understanding the trustee expense rules. One question about the "ordinary and necessary" standard - I had to hire a locksmith to change locks on a trust property after the previous tenant moved out. Would that $275 expense qualify as deductible? It seems necessary for protecting the trust assets, but I want to make sure I'm interpreting the rules correctly. Also, did your tax preparer give you any guidance on how detailed your expense documentation needs to be? I've been keeping receipts but wondering if I need more detailed explanations for each expense.
As someone who went through this process recently, I can confirm it's much simpler than it initially seems! The key thing to remember is that you don't need to do anything special when requesting the withdrawal from your brokerage - just ask for a regular distribution. They'll send you a 1099-R that shows the total amount withdrawn, but it won't break down contributions vs. earnings. The real work happens at tax time with Form 8606 Part III. You'll need to know your total contribution basis (all the money you've put in over the years), which is why keeping good records is so important. If your withdrawal amount is less than your total contributions, you won't owe any taxes or penalties. One tip that helped me: when I called my brokerage to request the distribution, I specifically asked them NOT to withhold any taxes since I knew it would be a tax-free withdrawal of contributions. This saved me from having to wait for a refund later. Most brokerages will ask if you want taxes withheld, so just decline that option. The whole process took about a week from request to having the money in my bank account, and filing Form 8606 with my tax return was straightforward once I had all my contribution records organized.
This is really helpful, thank you! I'm curious about the timing aspect - if I withdraw contributions in December but don't file my taxes until March, do I need to worry about any year-end reporting? Also, when you say "keeping good records," what specific documents should I be saving beyond the Form 5498s that others mentioned? I want to make sure I have everything organized before I make my withdrawal request.
@bd69a9972b96 Great questions! For timing, there's no special year-end reporting needed - you just report the withdrawal on your tax return for the year it occurred. So a December withdrawal would be reported on that year's return filed by the following April. For record keeping, here's what I found essential beyond Form 5498s: 1) Confirmation emails or statements from each contribution you made, 2) Bank records showing the transfers to your Roth IRA, 3) Any tax software summaries from years you made contributions (these often show Roth contribution amounts even though you don't get a deduction), and 4) A simple spreadsheet tracking your running total of contributions by year. I actually created a one-page summary document listing every contribution with dates and amounts - this made filling out Form 8606 so much easier. The IRS doesn't track this for you, so having your own organized records is crucial if you ever get questioned about your withdrawal.
Just want to add a practical tip that saved me some headaches - when you're gathering your contribution records, don't forget to check if you ever made any recharacterizations or returned excess contributions in previous years. These adjustments can affect your total contribution basis and might not be obvious from just looking at your Form 5498s. I found a recharacterization from 2019 that I'd completely forgotten about, which would have thrown off my calculations if I hadn't caught it. Your brokerage statements should show these transactions, but they might be labeled differently than regular contributions. Also, if you've ever changed brokerages and transferred your Roth IRA, make sure you have records from ALL previous custodians. The new brokerage won't necessarily have your complete contribution history from before the transfer, so you'll need to piece it together yourself. I had to contact my old brokerage to get statements going back several years, but they were surprisingly helpful once I explained what I needed.
This is such valuable advice about recharacterizations! I'm going through my old records now and realized I have a gap in my documentation from when I switched from Vanguard to Fidelity three years ago. Do you remember how long it took to get the historical records from your old brokerage? I'm hoping to make my withdrawal soon but want to make sure I have accurate contribution totals first. Also, when you mention recharacterizations being "labeled differently" - what should I be looking for exactly? I'm worried I might miss something important in my statements that could affect my calculation.
Jeremiah Brown
This thread has been incredibly helpful - I'm dealing with a similar situation but with some additional complexity. I was working for a US company but stationed in their London office from 2018-2021, and I'm just now discovering that I may have been filing incorrectly the entire time. My company's UK payroll team told me I didn't need to file US returns since I was paying UK taxes, which I now know was completely wrong. I've been out of compliance for multiple years and potentially owe significant amounts, but I also think I overpaid in some years where I might have been entitled to refunds. Reading through all the advice here about financial disability exceptions, account transcripts, and US-UK treaty provisions has given me hope that there might be paths forward I hadn't considered. The information about requesting comprehensive transcripts to see what the IRS actually has on file is particularly valuable since I'm not even sure what documentation they've received about my UK employment. Has anyone dealt with similar employer misinformation situations where the company's international payroll team provided incorrect US tax guidance? I'm wondering if this could support an equitable tolling argument similar to what was discussed earlier in the thread. The fact that I was receiving professional advice from my employer's tax specialists (even though it was wrong) seems like it might be relevant. Also curious if anyone knows whether the US-UK tax treaty has similar provisions to the US-Japan treaty mentioned earlier that might affect statute of limitations or filing obligations for employees on international assignments.
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Lia Quinn
β’@ac1b2919e0aa Your situation with employer misinformation is actually quite strong for building an equitable tolling or reasonable reliance argument. The fact that you received incorrect guidance from your company's professional tax team (rather than just misunderstanding the rules yourself) could definitely support an exception to normal statute limitations. The US-UK tax treaty does have similar provisions to the US-Japan treaty, particularly Article 24 (Mutual Agreement Procedure) and Article 15 (Income from Employment). The UK treaty also has specific provisions about short-term assignments and when US filing obligations apply to UK residents. Your situation of being told you didn't need to file US returns while working for a US company abroad is a classic case where treaty provisions and employer guidance often conflict with actual US tax law requirements. I'd strongly recommend gathering all communications from your company's UK payroll team about US tax obligations, your employment contract, and any tax equalization agreements. Document exactly what advice you received and when. This kind of employer misinformation has been successfully used in statute of limitations cases, especially when the taxpayer can show they reasonably relied on professional advice from their employer's tax specialists. Also request both account and wage/income transcripts from the IRS for all years in question - they may have received reporting about your US company employment that you're not aware of. The combination of employer misinformation, international complexity, and potential treaty issues creates multiple angles for addressing statute limitations. Don't give up on those potential refunds without exploring all these options!
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Evelyn Rivera
I've been reading through this entire thread and want to add some additional perspective on the financial disability exception that might be helpful. While major depression can qualify, the key is having your physician specifically document that the condition prevented you from managing your financial affairs during the relevant period. I work in tax resolution and have seen successful financial disability claims where the physician's statement included specific language about the patient's inability to handle complex financial decisions, difficulty with paperwork and deadlines, and cognitive impacts that affected their capacity to understand tax obligations. Generic treatment records usually aren't sufficient - you need a targeted statement from your treating physician. Also, don't overlook the "equitable tolling" possibilities mentioned earlier. Given your international assignment and the complexity of coordinating between US and Japanese tax obligations, if you can document that you received conflicting or incomplete guidance about your filing requirements, this could strengthen your case beyond just the health issues alone. One practical suggestion: consider filing Form 843 (Claim for Refund and Request for Abatement) even if you're not 100% certain about qualifying for an exception. The IRS will review your specific circumstances, and sometimes they identify relief options that weren't immediately obvious. The worst they can do is deny it, but you might be surprised at their flexibility when there are genuine extenuating circumstances like yours. The combination of your depression diagnosis, international tax complexity, and pandemic timing really does create a unique situation that goes beyond typical "I forgot to file" scenarios.
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Christian Burns
β’This is really helpful guidance about the specific language needed for financial disability claims. I'm curious about the timing requirements - does the physician's statement need to cover the entire period from when the return was due until now, or just the initial period when I should have filed? Also, regarding Form 843, is there a specific deadline for filing this claim, or can it be submitted at any time? I want to make sure I'm not missing another statute of limitations while I'm working on gathering the medical documentation. The point about documenting conflicting guidance is interesting - I definitely received different information from my company's tax team in Tokyo versus what I later learned about US filing requirements. Would email communications with HR or the tax service provider be sufficient documentation for this, or do I need something more formal? Thanks for mentioning that the IRS might identify relief options that aren't immediately obvious. Given how complex this situation is with multiple potential exceptions, it sounds like it's worth pursuing even if I'm not certain about meeting all the requirements for any single exception.
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