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Yuki Sato

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Kiara. Losing a grandmother is heartbreaking, and having to deal with government bureaucracy during your grief just makes everything harder. I went through this exact situation with my father's estate about two years ago, and those restricted hours drove me absolutely crazy too. The system goes offline right when you need it most! What finally worked for me was calling the IRS Business & Specialty Tax Line at 800-829-4933 right at 7:00 AM Eastern on a Wednesday morning. I set my alarm for 6:58 AM and had my finger ready to dial. The wait was only about 20 minutes, which was nothing compared to the hours I'd wasted trying to use the online system. Make sure you have everything ready before you call: your grandmother's full legal name from the death certificate, her date of death, your Social Security number as the responsible party, and the exact name you want for the estate. I wrote everything down on paper so I wouldn't get flustered when I finally got through. The actual conversation with the agent took maybe 12 minutes, and I had the EIN immediately. So much better than fighting with that website that seems designed to kick you out at the worst possible moment. If the phone doesn't work out for some reason, you can also fax Form SS-4 to 855-641-6935 for processing in 4-5 business days, which should still work for your bank timeline. Hang in there - your grandmother would be proud of how you're taking care of everything for her during this difficult time.

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Mateo Lopez

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience, Yuki. I'm sorry for your loss as well, and I really appreciate you taking the time to help someone going through a similar situation. The Wednesday 7 AM strategy with the 6:58 AM alarm seems to be the consistent advice from everyone who's actually gotten through successfully. It's reassuring to hear that your wait was only 20 minutes - I was worried it might be hours even with the early morning timing. Your tip about writing everything down beforehand is so practical. I can definitely see how easy it would be to get nervous when you finally reach someone and then fumble around looking for information. Having it all organized on paper ahead of time makes perfect sense. The fact that the actual conversation only took 12 minutes once you got through is really encouraging too. This whole process has felt so overwhelming, but hearing from people like you who've successfully navigated it gives me confidence that I can handle it. Thank you again for the kind words about my grandmother and for sharing such helpful practical advice. This community support has meant the world to me during this difficult time.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Kiara. Losing a grandmother is never easy, and dealing with bureaucratic hurdles while you're grieving just adds unnecessary stress to an already difficult situation. I actually went through this same frustration about 6 months ago when handling my stepfather's estate. The IRS EIN system's restricted hours are maddening when you're trying to coordinate with banks and attorneys who need documents quickly. The restricted hours exist because the EIN application system has to sync with multiple federal databases in real-time - Social Security, Treasury, state tax agencies, etc. When these database connections fail (which apparently happens regularly), they need technical staff available to manually fix the issues. Otherwise applications get stuck in processing limbo for weeks. Here's what finally worked for me after several failed attempts: Call 800-829-4933 at exactly 7:00 AM Eastern Time on a Tuesday or Wednesday morning. I literally set my phone alarm for 6:57 AM and had my finger ready to dial right at 7:00. Avoid Mondays and Fridays completely - the wait times are brutal. Before making the call, organize everything on paper: your grandmother's full legal name exactly as it appears on her death certificate, date of death, your SSN as the responsible party, and the precise legal name you want for the estate. Having it all written out prevents any fumbling when you finally get an agent on the line. The actual conversation took about 14 minutes once I got through, and I walked away with the EIN immediately. So much better than that online system that seems designed to fail right when you need it most. If calling doesn't work out, you can fax Form SS-4 to 855-641-6935 for processing within 4-5 business days, which should still meet your bank account timeline. Stay strong - your grandmother would be proud of how you're handling everything during this challenging time. Once you get past this EIN hurdle, the rest of the estate process becomes much more manageable.

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Zara Malik

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I'm so sorry for your loss too, Freya. Thank you for sharing your experience and for the detailed explanation about the database synchronization issues - it really helps to understand why these restrictions exist, even though they're incredibly frustrating when you're dealing with time-sensitive estate matters. Your 6:57 AM alarm strategy with everything written out on paper seems to be the approach that consistently works for people. I'm definitely going to try calling on Tuesday or Wednesday morning following your exact timing. It's encouraging to hear that your actual conversation only took 14 minutes once you got through. The backup fax option is also good to know about. Having that 4-5 day processing time as a fallback takes some of the pressure off if the phone approach doesn't work out immediately. I really appreciate you taking the time to help someone you've never met who's going through a similar difficult situation. The support from this community has been incredible during what's been a pretty overwhelming process of trying to figure out all these estate requirements. Thank you for the kind words about my grandmother as well - they really mean a lot.

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LunarLegend

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Has anyone here actually compared the paperwork requirements between SEP-IRA and Solo 401(k) for an S-Corp? I keep hearing Solo 401(k) is better for contribution limits but worried about extra compliance headaches.

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Malik Jackson

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I've managed both for my one-person S-Corp. SEP-IRA is definitely simpler - basically just one form to establish and annual contributions are straightforward. A Solo 401(k) requires more paperwork upfront (plan documents, etc.) and after your plan assets exceed $250k, you have to file Form 5500-EZ annually which is a pain. That said, I still switched to Solo 401(k) because the much higher contribution limits were worth the extra hassle in my case. I also liked having loan provisions and Roth options with the Solo 401(k). Most major brokerages now offer prototype Solo 401(k) plans that simplify the setup process.

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Leslie Parker

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Great question about S-Corp retirement contributions! I went through this exact same analysis last year with my single-member S-Corp. Here's what I learned that might help: You're absolutely right that you can contribute much more than 10%. With your $85,000 salary, you could max out at about $21,250 with the SEP-IRA (25% of compensation). However, I'd strongly recommend looking into a Solo 401(k) instead - it would let you contribute around $44,250 total ($23,000 employee deferral + ~$21,250 employer contribution). One thing to consider: since you're generating $120K in profits but only taking $85K salary, you might want to evaluate if increasing your salary slightly could boost your retirement contributions. Yes, you'll pay more payroll taxes, but the additional tax-deferred savings often outweigh the extra FICA costs. Also, at 42, you're actually in a good position to catch up! You'll get catch-up contributions starting at 50 (additional $7,500 for 401k), and with your strong business income, you have time to build substantial retirement savings. The key is making sure your salary remains "reasonable compensation" for your industry. Since you mentioned graphic design, $85K sounds reasonable, but you might have room to optimize the salary/distribution split for maximum retirement contributions.

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Emma Olsen

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This is really helpful, thank you! I'm curious about the salary optimization part you mentioned. When you say "evaluate if increasing your salary slightly could boost retirement contributions," how do you calculate the break-even point? For example, if I increased my salary from $85K to $95K, I'd pay an extra $1,530 in FICA taxes (15.3% on the additional $10K). But I could then contribute an extra $2,500 to retirement (25% of the additional $10K). At my tax bracket, that $2,500 deduction would save me about $925 in income taxes. So net effect would be paying $605 more in taxes ($1,530 - $925) to put away $2,500 more for retirement. Is that the right way to think about it? And how do you make sure the higher salary still passes the "reasonable compensation" test?

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Leila Haddad

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Wow, this thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation where I need to change the responsible party for my digital marketing LLC from my business partner to myself. Reading through everyone's experiences has given me a much clearer picture of what to expect. A couple of additional questions based on what I've read here: 1. If the current responsible party (my partner) has moved to a different state since we originally got our EIN, does that affect the 8822-B filing process at all? Should I use his current address or the original address that's on file with the IRS? 2. I noticed several people mentioned keeping detailed records during the transition. Are there any specific documents beyond the certified mail receipt that you'd recommend holding onto? Also, I wanted to thank everyone who mentioned the various tools and services - the taxr.ai recommendation for form checking and claimyr.com for getting through to the IRS both sound like they could be lifesavers. It's frustrating how difficult it can be to get clear guidance on these processes directly from the IRS. One thing I'm planning to do based on this discussion is create a checklist of all the entities I need to notify about the change (bank, state agencies, CPA, etc.) so I don't forget anyone. This thread has really highlighted how many moving pieces are involved beyond just filing the 8822-B itself! Thanks to Giovanni for starting this discussion and to everyone who shared their experiences - this has been way more valuable than any official IRS publication I've read!

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Andre Laurent

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Great questions! For your first question about the address - you should use your partner's CURRENT address on the 8822-B, not the original one from when you got the EIN. The IRS wants the most up-to-date information, and using an old address could cause processing delays or returned mail. Regarding documentation, beyond the certified mail receipt, I'd recommend keeping: a copy of the completed 8822-B form itself, any correspondence you send to state agencies about the change, records of when you notified your bank and other service providers, and notes from any phone calls with the IRS (including dates, agent names, and reference numbers if they give you any). Your checklist idea is brilliant! I wish I had done that - I ended up scrambling to remember all the places I needed to update information. You might also want to include your business insurance provider on that list if you have any policies that name the responsible party. The tools mentioned in this thread really are helpful. I was skeptical at first too, but sometimes you need all the help you can get when dealing with IRS processes. Good luck with your change - sounds like you're approaching it with the right level of preparation!

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Zainab Omar

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This has been such an incredibly thorough and helpful discussion! As someone who helps small business owners navigate these exact situations, I wanted to add a few final thoughts that might help Giovanni and others going through this process. One thing I always tell my clients is to create a simple timeline document when making responsible party changes. Write down when you mailed the 8822-B, when you expect it to be processed (usually 4-8 weeks), and when you plan to follow up if you haven't heard anything. This helps you stay on top of the process without constantly wondering about status. Also, since you mentioned this is part of a broader restructuring, consider whether any other federal forms might be affected by having David as the new responsible party. Things like quarterly employment tax filings (if you have employees) or annual information returns should reflect the change once it's processed. The advice about coordinating with your CPA is spot-on. They can also help you understand if there are any state-specific requirements in your jurisdiction that might not be obvious. Some states have additional notification requirements when responsible parties change, especially if your LLC has special tax elections or registrations. Finally, don't stress too much about the process itself - it really is routine for the IRS, even though it feels overwhelming when you're going through it for the first time. The key is just being thorough and keeping good records, which it sounds like you're already planning to do. Good luck with your restructuring!

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IRS Transcript Update: Codes 767, 290, 971 After Amended Return - Will I Get My $6,595 Refund Soon?

My transcript just updated today and I see codes 767, 290, and 971. First time seeing these codes and don't know if this is good news or not. Really need this refund and getting anxious about what these mean. I've never seen these codes before so I'm going to copy my entire transcript below to see if anyone can help me understand what's happening: ACCOUNT BALANCE: -6,595.00 ACCRUED INTEREST: 0.00 AS OF: Dec. 17, 2024 ACCRUED PENALTY: 0.00 AS OF: Dec. 17, 2024 ACCOUNT BALANCE PLUS ACCRUALS (this is not a payoff amount) -6,595.00 INFORMATION FROM THE RETURN OR AS ADJUSTED EXEMPTIONS: 02 FILING STATUS: Head of Household ADJUSTED GROSS INCOME: 15,434.00 TAXABLE INCOME: 0.00 TAX PER RETURN: 0.00 SE TAXABLE INCOME TAXPAYER: 0.00 SE TAXABLE INCOME SPOUSE: 0.00 TOTAL SELF EMPLOYMENT TAX: 0.00 RETURN DUE DATE OR RETURN RECEIVED DATE (WHICHEVER IS LATER) Apr. 15, 2024 PROCESSING DATE May 06, 2024 TRANSACTIONS CODE EXPLANATION OF TRANSACTION CYCLE DATE AMOUNT 150 Tax return filed 20241605 05-06-2024 $0.00 70211-430-73439-4 810 Refund freeze 02-09-2024 $0.00 766 Credit to your account 04-16-2024 -$2,600.00 766 Credit to your account 04-16-2024 -$9,095.00 768 Earned income credit 04-16-2024 -$4,995.00 971 Amended tax return or claim 05-11-2024 $0.00 forwarded for processing 977 Amended return filed 05-11-2024 $0.00 43277-534-68440-4 767 Reduced or removed credit to your 04-16-2024 $9,095.00 account 290 Additional tax assessed 20244804 12-17-2024 $0.00 71254-731-05739-4 971 Notice issued 12-17-2024 $0.00 I see that I had credits of $2,600, $9,095, and earned income credit of $4,995 back in April. Then there's code 767 showing "Reduced or removed credit" for $9,095, which looks like they took back one of my credits. I also filed an amended return in May (codes 971 and 977). Now today (Dec 17), I'm seeing these new codes - 290 for "Additional tax assessed" (but with $0.00 amount) and another 971 for "Notice issued". My account balance shows -$6,595.00 which I assume means they owe me that amount? What does all this mean? Is my refund coming soon? Should I be worried about the 767 code that took away some of my credit? And what notice are they sending me (971 code)? Getting really anxious since I really need this money.

Looking at your transcript, you're actually in a great position! That -$6,595 account balance is what the IRS owes YOU - that's your refund amount. Here's what happened: You originally had credits of $2,600 + $9,095 + $4,995 EIC = $16,690 total. The 767 code removed the $9,095 credit (likely correcting an error from your amended return), leaving you with the other credits. Code 290 with $0.00 means all processing is officially complete, and 971 is just them sending a notice to explain the adjustments. Since these codes just posted on 12/17 and processing is finalized, you should see your $6,595 refund hit your account within 1-2 weeks if you have direct deposit. I know the waiting is stressful, but you're at the finish line now! The hardest part is over and your money is definitely coming. Try to relax and check your bank account in a few days πŸ™

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TommyKapitz

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This gives me so much hope! I was literally having anxiety attacks looking at these codes thinking something terrible happened with my return. Your explanation about the math really helps - I didn't realize that the 767 removing that big credit was actually just fixing an error rather than taking away money I was supposed to get. The fact that the -$6,595 means they owe ME that amount is such a relief. I have direct deposit with Wells Fargo so hopefully I'll see it soon. Thank you for being so patient explaining all this - this community has been a lifesaver during this stressful process! πŸ™

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Bethany Groves

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Looking at your transcript, you're actually in really good shape! That -$6,595 account balance means the IRS owes you that exact amount as a refund. Here's what happened: You originally had credits totaling $16,690 ($2,600 + $9,095 + $4,995 EIC), but the 767 code removed the $9,095 credit - this was likely an error correction from your amended return processing. The 290 code with $0.00 means all processing adjustments are complete, and the 971 is just a notice being sent to explain the changes. Since these codes just posted on 12/17 and everything shows as finalized, you should see your $6,595 refund within 7-10 business days if you have direct deposit set up. I know the waiting is anxiety-inducing when you really need the money, but you're literally at the finish line now! The hardest part is over and your refund is definitely on the way. πŸ™

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Omar Zaki

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This is such a detailed and reassuring explanation! I've been checking my transcript obsessively since these codes appeared and was getting really panicked about what they all meant together. Your breakdown about the 767 being an error correction from the amended return makes total sense now - I was so scared they were taking away my entire refund. Knowing that the negative balance actually means they owe me that money is such a huge relief. I have direct deposit set up so I'll be watching for it to hit my account over the next week or so. Really grateful for everyone here taking the time to help newcomers like me understand these confusing codes! πŸ™

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I'm so sorry for your aunt's loss. Going through tax issues while grieving is incredibly difficult. One important point I'd add - if your uncle had any business income or was self-employed, your aunt will need to file Schedule C or other business forms as part of that final joint return. The IRS transcripts mentioned by others will help identify if there were any 1099-NEC or other business income forms issued. Also, since your aunt has mobility issues, she might want to consider having the tax documents sent to a different address where you or another family member can help manage them. You can specify an alternate mailing address on Form 4506-T. The IRS also has a Taxpayer Advocate Service that can help in situations like this where there are hardships. Given her age, recent loss, and mobility issues, they might be able to provide additional assistance if she runs into any roadblocks with the normal process. Hang in there - this process is manageable once you get the right information, and it sounds like you're being a wonderful support for her during this difficult time.

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Natalie Chen

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Thank you for mentioning the Taxpayer Advocate Service - I hadn't heard of that before and it sounds like exactly what my aunt might need. With her arthritis making it hard to get around and everything being so overwhelming right now, having someone who can provide extra help with the process would be amazing. Quick question about the alternate mailing address on Form 4506-T - does that require any special authorization since the tax information would technically be going to someone other than the taxpayer? I'm happy to help manage the paperwork but want to make sure we do everything properly. Also, regarding business income - my uncle did some occasional handyman work for neighbors, mostly cash payments. Do you think that would require Schedule C even if it was pretty informal? I'm worried there might be income we don't know about that could complicate things.

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Dmitry Petrov

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For the alternate mailing address on Form 4506-T, your aunt would need to sign the form herself and can specify where she wants the documents sent. As long as she's the one requesting them as the surviving spouse, she can choose any mailing address - no special authorization needed. Just make sure she signs the form, not you. Regarding your uncle's handyman work, even informal cash payments should technically be reported as self-employment income if they totaled $400 or more for the year. The tricky part is that if it was mostly cash, there might not be 1099-NEC forms to help track it. Your aunt should try to estimate the income as best she can based on any records or her memory of his work schedule. The Taxpayer Advocate Service can definitely help navigate these complexities. You can reach them at 1-877-777-4778. Given your aunt's circumstances (recent widowhood, mobility issues, and the complexity of potential unreported income), they should be able to assign a caseworker to help guide her through the process. Don't let the potential complications discourage you - the IRS understands that surviving spouses often don't have complete records, and they're generally reasonable about working with people in good faith to resolve these situations.

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Isaiah Cross

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I'm so sorry for your aunt's loss. This is such a difficult situation to navigate while grieving. One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned yet - if your aunt is over 65, she may qualify for the IRS Volunteer Income Tax Assistance (VITA) program, which provides free tax preparation help specifically for elderly, disabled, and low-to-moderate income taxpayers. Given her mobility issues and the complexity of filing a final joint return, this could be a great resource. Many VITA sites can even arrange home visits for taxpayers who can't travel due to age or disability. You can find locations at irs.gov or call 1-800-906-9887. They're specifically trained to handle situations like this and can help navigate all the forms mentioned by others (4506-T, potential Form 1310, etc.). Also, don't forget that your aunt may be eligible for a higher standard deduction as a surviving spouse, and there might be additional tax benefits she's entitled to that your uncle may not have been aware of when he was handling their taxes. The volunteers at VITA sites are usually very patient and understanding with situations involving recent loss. They can help ensure nothing is missed and that your aunt gets all the deductions and credits she's entitled to.

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Isaac Wright

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This is excellent advice about the VITA program! I had no idea they could arrange home visits for people with mobility issues. That would be perfect for my aunt's situation since getting to appointments has been really challenging for her. I'm definitely going to look into this - having someone who's specifically trained to handle surviving spouse situations and can come to her would take so much stress off both of us. Do you know if there's typically a waiting list for home visits, especially during tax season? I want to make sure we get this set up soon given the approaching deadline. Also, you mentioned additional tax benefits she might be entitled to as a surviving spouse - are there specific ones I should ask about when we contact VITA? I want to make sure we don't miss anything that could help her financially during this difficult time.

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