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This is such a common and frustrating issue! I've been buying from European sellers for years and this VAT/tax ID confusion happens all the time, especially with Italian sellers who primarily deal with EU customers. The bottom line is simple: as a US individual making a personal purchase, you absolutely do NOT need to provide any VAT number, tax ID, or codice fiscale. The US doesn't use the European VAT system for consumers. Here's exactly what to tell your seller: "Please enter 'US PRIVATE CONSUMER' or 'EXEMPT - PERSONAL USE' in your shipping system's VAT field. As a United States individual, I don't have a VAT number because the US uses a different tax system. For customs, please complete form CN22 marking this as personal merchandise with the $65 value." You can also explain that exports from Italy to non-EU countries like the US are actually VAT-exempt anyway, so they don't need any tax documentation from you. Your $65 purchase is well under the US de minimis threshold, so no special paperwork is required on our end either. If they're still confused, suggest they contact their local Poste Italiane office - postal workers handle US exports regularly and can guide them through the correct procedures. This is purely a knowledge gap, not a real requirement, and it gets resolved once sellers understand the system differences. Your item will ship!
This is exactly what I needed to read! I'm completely new to international shopping and was getting really stressed thinking I was missing some crucial documentation. Your explanation about the US not using the European VAT system for consumers makes perfect sense now - I had no idea these were completely different tax structures. The "US PRIVATE CONSUMER" wording is perfect because it's so clear and specific. I was trying to explain that I'm "just a regular person" but that probably wasn't helping the seller understand what to put in their system. Having this exact phrase to suggest should solve the problem immediately. I also really appreciate you mentioning that exports to non-EU countries are VAT-exempt anyway - that's such an important point that helps explain why their system is asking for something they don't actually need. It's reassuring to know this is just a common knowledge gap rather than me doing something wrong. Thanks for the detailed guidance!
I've run into this same frustrating situation multiple times when buying from Italian sellers! The issue is that their shipping software often has mandatory VAT/tax ID fields designed for EU business transactions, but as a US consumer, you don't have and don't need a VAT number. Here's what has worked for me every time: Tell your seller to enter "US PRIVATE BUYER" or "N/A - PERSONAL USE" in whatever tax ID field their system requires. Explain that the United States doesn't use the European VAT system for individual consumers - we have a completely different tax structure. For the customs documentation, they just need to complete a CN22 form (since your $65 purchase qualifies for the simpler form) marking it as "merchandise" with the actual purchase value. No tax documentation from you is required for personal imports under $800. You can also mention that exports from Italy to non-EU countries are actually VAT-exempt anyway, so they don't need to collect any tax information from US buyers. If they're still confused, suggest they contact their local Poste Italiane office - postal workers handle US exports regularly and can guide them through the correct procedures. Don't worry about your purchase being cancelled! This is super common and gets resolved once sellers understand they can put something generic in that mandatory field. Most are very cooperative once they realize the system difference between EU business rules and US personal imports.
I've been working in tax prep for about 3 years and wanted to share my perspective on the course options. I actually started with the H&R Block course, which was fine for getting my feet wet, but I quickly realized I needed more comprehensive training to handle complex returns confidently. The game-changer for me was pursuing the EA credential. I used Gleim's study materials and found them excellent - much more thorough than the basic seasonal courses. The EA exam is challenging but worth it - you'll learn about business returns, representation rights, ethics, and advanced individual tax situations that the basic courses barely touch. One thing I wish I'd known earlier: don't just focus on learning tax law. Learn the business side too - client communication, pricing your services, managing deadlines, and staying organized during busy season. Those skills are just as important as knowing the tax code, but most courses don't cover them adequately. If you're serious about making this more than just seasonal income, I'd recommend skipping the basic courses and going straight for EA preparation. It's a bigger investment upfront, but you'll be much better positioned to build a real career in tax preparation rather than just being another seasonal worker making minimum wage.
This is exactly the kind of advice I was looking for! I'm definitely leaning toward the EA route after reading everyone's experiences. Quick question though - how long did it take you to study for the EA exam using Gleim? I'm trying to plan my timeline and wondering if it's realistic to aim for taking the exam within 6 months of starting to study, especially if I'm working full-time in another job while preparing. Also, you mentioned learning the business side - do you have any specific resources you'd recommend for that aspect? I feel like most of the discussion focuses on the technical tax knowledge but those practical business skills sound equally important for success.
Great question about the timeline! With Gleim materials and studying part-time while working full-time, 6 months is definitely doable but it requires consistent effort. I studied about 10-15 hours per week and took the exam after about 5 months. The key is being disciplined about your study schedule - I did early mornings and weekends mostly. For the business side, I'd recommend checking out the National Association of Tax Professionals (NATP) resources - they have webinars and articles on practice management. Also, "The E-Myth" by Michael Gerber isn't tax-specific but has great insights on running a service business. For pricing strategies, look into what other EAs in your area charge and consider joining local tax professional groups on Facebook or LinkedIn where people share real-world experiences. One practical tip: start thinking about liability insurance, client intake processes, and record-keeping systems while you're studying. You'll want those business systems in place before you start taking on clients. Drake Software and some others offer practice management features that can help with the administrative side once you're ready to start your own practice.
I've been lurking on this thread and wanted to add my perspective as someone who recently went through this decision process. After reading everyone's experiences, I ended up going the VITA route first and I'm so glad I did. The VITA program really opened my eyes to what tax preparation actually involves day-to-day. You're dealing with real people with real problems - language barriers, missing documents, complicated family situations that don't fit neatly into tax software prompts. The classroom training is thorough but basic, covering individual returns, credits, and deductions. What's invaluable is the supervised practice where experienced volunteers help you work through situations you'd never encounter in a course. I volunteered at a community center and prepared about 150 returns during the season. The variety was incredible - simple W-2 returns, small business Schedule C, rental property, education credits, elderly clients with retirement income. Each return taught me something new, and having mentors right there to answer questions was priceless. Now I'm planning to study for the EA exam this summer, but I feel like I have a solid foundation to build on. Plus, several local tax firms have already reached out to me for next season based on my VITA experience. The hands-on experience and references you get from VITA supervisors seem to carry a lot of weight with employers. If you're on the fence, I'd definitely recommend starting with VITA. It's free, you're helping your community, and you'll get a realistic view of whether tax preparation is something you want to pursue seriously.
This is such valuable insight, thank you for sharing your VITA experience! I'm really intrigued by what you said about the variety of returns you encountered - 150 returns in one season sounds like incredible hands-on experience. Can you tell me more about the time commitment? Like how many hours per week were you volunteering during tax season? Also, I'm curious about the mentorship aspect. Were the experienced volunteers actual EAs or CPAs, or were they just seasoned VITA volunteers? I'm wondering how much advanced knowledge I'd actually be exposed to versus just getting comfortable with basic returns. Your point about local tax firms reaching out based on VITA experience is really encouraging. That kind of networking benefit wasn't something I'd considered before. Did you find that the VITA program helped you make connections in the local tax preparation community beyond just the volunteer coordinators?
Coming from someone who's been in the tax industry for over a decade, I'd strongly recommend going straight for the EA if you're serious about advancing your career. The CRTP might seem like an easier entry point, but it's really limiting your potential right from the start. Here's what I wish someone had told me early on: the EA exam isn't as scary as it seems, especially with your bookkeeping background. You already understand basic accounting principles, which gives you a huge advantage. The three-part structure means you can tackle it piece by piece rather than one massive exam. Given that you're considering a move to Oregon, the EA is a no-brainer. California-specific credentials won't help you there, and you'd essentially be starting over. Plus, even if you stay in California, EA status commands more respect and higher fees than CRTP. My advice? Skip the CRTP entirely, invest in good EA exam prep materials, and dedicate 4-6 months to serious study. The return on investment is so much better long-term. You'll thank yourself later when you're charging $150+ per hour for representation work instead of being stuck at basic prep rates.
This is exactly the advice I needed to hear! I've been going back and forth on this decision for weeks, but you're absolutely right about the EA being the better long-term investment. With my bookkeeping background, I do feel like I have a decent foundation to build on. The point about Oregon is especially relevant - I hadn't fully considered how starting over with credentials would set me back if I do relocate. And honestly, the idea of being able to charge $150+ per hour for representation work is pretty motivating compared to staying stuck at basic prep rates. Do you have any specific recommendations for EA exam prep materials? I'm seeing a lot of options out there (Gleim, Fast Forward Academy, etc.) and would love to hear what worked best for someone with your experience.
As someone who recently went through this exact decision process, I wanted to share my perspective. I ultimately chose the EA route and couldn't be happier with that choice. The key factor for me was scalability. With a CRTP, you're essentially locked into California and limited to basic tax preparation. The EA opens doors not just geographically, but professionally - you can handle complex tax issues, represent clients before the IRS, and command significantly higher fees. Since you mentioned possibly relocating to Oregon, that alone should push you toward the EA. I have colleagues who started with state-specific credentials and later regretted having to essentially restart their certification journey when they moved. From a practical standpoint, the EA exam is challenging but very doable with your bookkeeping background. The three-part structure actually makes it less overwhelming than it initially appears. I used a combination of Gleim for structured learning and supplemented with additional practice questions from other sources. One thing that really helped me was connecting with local EA study groups through the National Association of Enrolled Agents. Having that peer support made a huge difference, especially when tackling the more complex business taxation concepts. Bottom line: if you're serious about advancing in the tax field, go straight for the EA. The time and money investment pays off much faster than taking the incremental CRTP route.
This is really helpful perspective, thank you! I'm starting to lean heavily toward the EA route after reading everyone's experiences here. The scalability point really resonates with me - I don't want to box myself in geographically or professionally. I'm curious about the local EA study groups you mentioned through NAEA. How did you find those? I'm in San Diego and it would be great to connect with others going through the same process. Did you find the group study approach more effective than studying solo? Also, when you say you supplemented Gleim with additional practice questions, what other sources did you find most valuable? I want to make sure I'm as prepared as possible before diving into this.
Just FYI as a tax preparer, bring ALL your medical receipts to your appointment, not just COBRA. Many people forget about mileage to medical appointments (17 cents per mile for 2024), prescription costs, dental expenses, eye care, medical equipment, etc. Every dollar helps get you closer to that 7.5% threshold.
Oh wow I didn't know about the mileage thing! Does that include therapy appointments too?
Great question about COBRA and taxes! Just wanted to add one important point that might help you save money - if you have any self-employment income from your freelance work, you might qualify for the self-employed health insurance deduction for your COBRA premiums. This is WAY better than the itemized medical expense deduction because it's an above-the-line deduction (meaning it reduces your AGI directly) and you can still take the standard deduction. Since you mentioned having 1099 income, definitely ask your tax preparer about this. The self-employed health insurance deduction lets you deduct health insurance premiums (including COBRA) as long as you have net self-employment income and you're not eligible for coverage through your spouse's employer plan. Given that you're both on COBRA, this could be a huge tax saver. For documentation, bring your 1099s showing the freelance income and all your COBRA payment records. The preparer can determine if this applies to your situation - it could potentially save you way more than trying to meet that 7.5% AGI threshold for itemized medical expenses!
This is really helpful info about the self-employed health insurance deduction! I had no idea this was even an option. Just to clarify - does the freelance income have to be from the same year as the COBRA payments? And what if the self-employment income is less than what we paid in COBRA premiums - can we still deduct the full amount or only up to the income amount? Also wondering if there are any other requirements we need to meet beyond having the 1099 income. This could definitely change our whole tax strategy if we qualify!
FireflyDreams
Does anyone know if TurboTax Premium can help with preparing Form 709? I already pay for the premium version for my rental properties, but I'm not sure if it includes gift tax returns.
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Natasha Kuznetsova
ā¢TurboTax can help prepare Form 709, but only in their desktop version (not online). And even then, the guidance is pretty minimal compared to what they provide for regular tax forms. I ended up having to read most of the IRS instructions myself anyway.
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Ethan Wilson
I went through this exact situation two years ago when I helped my grandson with his student loans. The separate filing approach you're planning is totally fine - that's exactly what I did. One thing I'd suggest is keeping good records of both filings. I created a simple folder with copies of both my 1040 (after e-filing) and my mailed Form 709, along with all the supporting documentation for the gift. This made it super easy when I had a follow-up question from the IRS months later (nothing scary, just a routine clarification request). Also, don't forget that if your gift exceeds the annual exclusion amount, you're not necessarily paying any tax - you're just using up part of your lifetime exemption. That was the part that confused me the most initially. The Form 709 is more about tracking your lifetime gift totals than actually owing money in most cases. Good luck with your filing! It's really not as complicated as it seems once you get through it the first time.
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Kristin Frank
ā¢This is really helpful advice, especially about keeping good records! I'm dealing with a similar situation for the first time and feeling pretty overwhelmed by all the documentation requirements. Quick question - when you say "supporting documentation for the gift," what exactly did you need to include? I'm gifting money for my daughter's wedding expenses, so it's pretty straightforward, but I want to make sure I'm not missing anything important that might cause problems later. Also, did the IRS follow-up happen because of something specific, or was it just a random review? Trying to mentally prepare myself for what might come next!
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