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One important thing to consider is organizing your records NOW before tax season gets busy. Since you mentioned shutting down the business a few months ago, this is actually perfect timing to get everything sorted while it's still fresh in your memory. Create a simple spreadsheet with columns for: Date, Item Description, Purchase Cost, Sale Price, Platform Fees, Shipping Costs, and Net Profit/Loss per transaction. Even if you don't have perfect records, try to reconstruct what you can from your bank statements, PayPal records, and any Whatnot transaction history you can download. Also consider whether you want to treat this as a sole proprietorship (Schedule C) or if there are any advantages to filing as a partnership since you mentioned this was run with your partner. The tax implications can be different, and you might want to consult a tax professional for that specific question since it involves two people and substantial income. The key thing is that high gross sales with low/no profit is actually pretty common in reselling, especially when markets get saturated like you described with Lego. The IRS understands this, but you need solid documentation to support your expense claims.
This is really helpful advice about organizing records now! I'm actually in a similar situation with my own reselling business. Quick question - when you mention downloading Whatnot transaction history, do you know if they provide a comprehensive report that includes all the fees and shipping costs? I've been trying to piece together my records from different sources and it's been a nightmare. Also, regarding the partnership vs sole proprietorship question - if they weren't legally married but split the work and expenses, would they each need to file separate Schedule Cs for their portion, or is there a way to handle it as an informal partnership?
@61d990d64ed3 Great questions! For Whatnot transaction history, they do provide seller reports that include gross sales, fees, and some shipping details, but the format isn't always perfect for tax purposes. You'll want to log into your seller dashboard and look for "Reports" or "Analytics" - they usually have monthly/yearly summaries you can download. However, you might still need to cross-reference with your bank statements since some fees get bundled together. For the partnership vs sole proprietorship question - this is tricky when you're unmarried partners. If they truly operated as equal partners sharing expenses and profits, they could file Form 1065 (partnership return) and each receive a K-1 showing their share of income/loss. However, this requires more paperwork and record-keeping. The simpler approach might be for whoever received the 1099-K to file the Schedule C, then handle the profit/loss split between them privately (essentially one person "pays" the other their share). But definitely consult a tax pro for this since it involves two people and substantial amounts - the wrong choice could cost them significantly in taxes or create complications down the road.
Something to keep in mind - since you mentioned your partner ran the business but you're both concerned about taxes, make sure you're clear on whose SSN/EIN the Whatnot account was registered under. Whoever's tax ID is associated with the account will receive the 1099-K and be responsible for reporting all the income, even if you both contributed to the business. If the account was under your partner's SSN but you both invested money and time, you'll need to figure out how to handle the income split. The person who gets the 1099-K will need to report the full gross income on their Schedule C, but they can potentially "expense out" payments made to you as a business partner - though this gets complicated without formal partnership agreements. Also, don't stress too much about the high gross sales number. The IRS sees this all the time with resellers, especially on platforms like Whatnot, eBay, etc. What matters is your net profit after legitimate business expenses. Just make sure you have documentation for your major expense categories: inventory costs, shipping supplies, platform fees, storage costs if you rented space, mileage for sourcing inventory, and even a portion of utilities if you used part of your home for the business. The key is being organized and honest about your record-keeping. If you lost money or barely broke even, that's a legitimate business outcome that the IRS recognizes, especially in competitive reselling markets.
This is such an important point about the SSN/tax ID issue! I'm dealing with something similar where my boyfriend and I started a reselling business together but everything was set up under his name. We're not sure how to handle the fact that I contributed about 40% of the initial inventory investment and did a lot of the sourcing work, but he'll be getting the 1099-K. From what I understand, he could potentially pay me as a contractor for my work and deduct that as a business expense, but we'd need to be careful about documentation and making sure it looks legitimate to the IRS. Has anyone dealt with this kind of informal partnership situation before? I'm worried we might be overcomplicating things, but also don't want to mess up our taxes over a technicality.
I'm actually dealing with a similar situation right now with vintage sports cards! One thing I learned the hard way is that documentation is absolutely critical regardless of whether you classify your activity as business or investment. Keep detailed records of every purchase - date, price, condition, where you bought it from. For sales, track the same info plus your selling expenses (eBay fees, shipping, etc.). If you're holding items as investments, document your research showing why you believed they would appreciate (print outs of price trends, market analysis, etc.). Also consider opening a separate bank account for this activity even if you decide it's investment income. It makes everything cleaner for tax purposes and shows you're treating it seriously. The IRS loves good record keeping, and it can really help your case if there's ever any question about your classification. One more tip - consider consulting with a tax professional who has experience with collectibles before you get too deep into this. The rules can be tricky and the stakes get higher as your income grows. Better to get it right from the start than have to fix problems later!
This is excellent advice about documentation! I'm just getting started with trading cards myself and hadn't thought about documenting the research behind my investment decisions. That's a really smart way to support your position if the IRS ever questions whether you're truly investing vs. running a business. Quick question - when you say "print outs of price trends," are you talking about like screenshots from eBay sold listings, or is there better market data available for trading cards? I've been using TCGPlayer for pricing but wasn't sure if that would be sufficient documentation for tax purposes. Also totally agree about the separate bank account. Even if it's just a basic checking account, it makes tracking so much easier and looks more professional if you ever need to show your records.
Great question about documentation! For trading cards, I've found that a combination of sources works best. eBay sold listings are definitely valuable - I take screenshots of recent sales for comparable items, making sure to note the condition and date. TCGPlayer is excellent for current market prices, especially for Magic and Pokemon. I also use PSA's auction prices database for graded cards, and COMC (Check Out My Cards) has good historical data. For sealed product, I track distributor pricing from places like DA Card World or local game stores to establish my cost basis. The key is showing a pattern of research over time. I keep a simple spreadsheet with the item, date purchased, cost, and then periodic price checks with screenshots. This shows I'm genuinely analyzing these as investments rather than just flipping whatever I can find. One thing I learned - if you're buying modern sealed product as "investments," make sure you can document why you believe it will appreciate. Things like print run size, competitive play impact, or historical performance of similar sets. The IRS wants to see that you're making informed investment decisions, not just gambling on cardboard!
This is super helpful information! I'm new to the trading card scene but considering getting into it similar to what the original poster described. Your point about documenting the reasoning behind purchases is really smart - I hadn't thought about needing to justify WHY I think something will appreciate. Quick follow-up question: when you're tracking distributor pricing, do you factor in any additional costs like shipping or sales tax into your cost basis? I'm assuming those would count toward your basis for tax purposes, but want to make sure I'm thinking about this correctly from the start. Also, for someone just starting out, would you recommend focusing on just one type of cards (like Pokemon) to make the documentation and research more manageable, or is diversification across different games/brands better from both an investment and tax perspective?
Just got my MI refund today after 6 weeks of waiting! E-filed on Jan 15th and it hit my account this morning. For those still waiting - I noticed the status changed from "received" to "approved" about 3 days before the deposit came through. Keep checking that MI Treasury site, the status updates are actually pretty accurate once things start moving. Hang in there everyone! πͺ
Thanks for the update! That gives me hope - I filed around the same time and my status is still just showing "received". Good to know it changes to "approved" a few days before the deposit. Did you have any credits or was it a straightforward return?
Filed mine on Jan 22nd and still showing "received" status. Really hoping it moves to "approved" soon! The 4-6 week timeline from @Zoe Christodoulou matches what I'm seeing - we're right in that window now. Thanks @Finnegan Gunn for sharing your timeline, that's encouraging to know the status actually updates before the deposit hits. Going to keep checking daily π€
Same here - filed Jan 20th and stuck on "received" for weeks now! Really appreciate everyone sharing their timelines, it helps to know we're not alone in this waiting game. @CosmosCaptain let me know if your status changes, I'll do the same! π€
Quick tip that helped me understand my W-2: Your December paystub from the end of the year should have year-to-date totals that roughly match your W-2, but they won't be exactly the same if you have taxable benefits like group term life insurance over $50k or if your employer provides other taxable benefits. I was driving myself crazy trying to reconcile the numbers until my HR explained this!
Just to add another perspective on this - I work in payroll and see this confusion ALL the time! One thing that trips people up is that your W-2 Box 1 (taxable wages) can actually be LOWER than what you think you earned if you have a lot of pre-tax deductions. For example, if your salary is $60,000 but you contribute $6,000 to your 401k, have $3,000 in health insurance premiums, and $1,500 in other pre-tax benefits, your Box 1 will show $49,500. That's a $10,500 difference! This is why it's so important to understand that the IRS taxes you on your "taxable income" (Box 1), not your gross salary. The withholding calculations throughout the year are based on this lower Box 1 amount, which is why increasing your 401k contributions can actually reduce your tax burden both by lowering your taxable income AND potentially dropping you into a lower tax bracket. Pro tip: If you want to estimate your taxes mid-year, use your current Box 1 equivalent (gross minus pre-tax deductions) rather than your actual gross income!
This is super helpful! I never realized the Box 1 amount could be so much lower than my actual salary. I've been contributing to my 401k but didn't really understand how it was affecting my taxes beyond just saving for retirement. One question though - when you mention dropping into a lower tax bracket, does that mean ALL my income gets taxed at the lower rate, or just the portion that falls into that bracket? I've always been confused about how tax brackets actually work in practice.
Luca Ferrari
Does anyone have experience using the 2023 Pub 560 worksheet but with 2024 numbers? Did the IRS give you any trouble if you got audited? I'm worried about using outdated forms even with updated numbers.
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Nia Davis
β’I've done this for years with various IRS worksheets and never had an issue. The worksheets are just calculation aids - they're not actually filed with your return. The IRS only cares that you arrive at the correct contribution amount based on current limits. As long as you're using the current year's contribution limits and following the correct calculation method, you're fine.
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Miguel Castro
I ran into this exact same issue last month! What helped me was checking the IRS's "What's New" section on their website - they sometimes post interim guidance or notices with updated figures before the full publication is released. Also, if you're working with a tax professional or have access to professional tax software, they often have the updated worksheets available earlier than the general public since they get advance copies. In the meantime, the 2023 version with updated 2024 limits (as others mentioned) should definitely work fine - the calculation methodology rarely changes, just the dollar amounts.
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Yuki Nakamura
β’Great suggestion about checking the "What's New" section! I'm dealing with this same frustration right now. Do you happen to remember which specific notices or interim guidance documents had the updated retirement plan figures? I've been digging through the IRS site but there's so much content it's hard to know where to look. Also curious about your mention of tax professionals getting advance copies - is that something they make available to the public at all, or is it restricted to licensed practitioners only?
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