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Yuki Sato

Negotiating Installment Agreement for Single Tax Year When Other Years Have CNC Status (TC 530)

Got hit with a CP504 notice for 2019 back in March. Called the IRS and initially the agent started talking about setting up a payment plan, then suddenly changed course and transferred me to collections. When I spoke with the collections rep, she seemed weirdly hesitant to explain my account status. Then she pushed hard for a payment arrangement starting at $500 monthly, increasing to $625 the following year, and continuing upward from there. After doing some research on my own transcripts, I discovered TC 530 (Balance due, account currently not collectible-not due to hardship) on six of my seven years of tax debt. These CNC statuses were applied in October 2022. The only year WITHOUT the CNC status is 2019 - the year they're pursuing me for now. When I tried to negotiate a payment plan just for the 2019 year, the rep insisted they can't do installment agreements for single tax years - it has to cover everything. They've also started pursuing me for 2010 debt, claiming the CSED date extends to 2026. Now they're demanding financial statements. Should I call back and push for a payment plan just for 2019 using my knowledge of the CNC status on the other years? Was rejecting their initial offer a mistake? The CNC status seems like valuable leverage, but I'm not sure how to use it effectively. They've already told my employer to max out my withholding (0 exemptions, head of household). Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Carmen Ruiz

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What you're dealing with is actually pretty common. When some tax years are in Currently Not Collectible (CNC) status but others aren't, it creates confusion even for IRS reps sometimes. Here's what's happening: The TC 530 code means the IRS has determined that for those six years, collecting would create an economic hardship for you. It doesn't forgive the debt, but puts collection on hold. For 2019, they've determined you have ability to pay. The rep was actually correct that the IRS typically won't do an installment agreement on just one year when you owe for multiple years. They want to address your entire tax debt. However, there's a potential approach: call back and ask specifically about a Partial Payment Installment Agreement (PPIA) that acknowledges the CNC years but addresses the 2019 liability. Regarding the 2010 tax debt with a 2026 CSED (Collection Statute Expiration Date) - that's unusual since the normal collection period is 10 years. Something likely happened to extend that statute, like a previous installment agreement or offer in compromise. If they're asking for financial statements now, they're trying to determine if your financial situation has changed since the CNC determination.

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What if they've already put the other years in CNC status though? Doesn't that mean they've already determined those years aren't collectible? I'm kinda confused about how they can force you to make payments on ALL years when they've already designated most as uncollectible. Also what happens with the employer withholding thing? Can they keep that in place even if the taxpayer gets a payment plan?

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Carmen Ruiz

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Yes, they've determined those years are currently uncollectible, but "currently" is the key word. CNC status doesn't permanently resolve the debt - it's essentially paused. If your financial situation improves, they can revive collection on those years. They're treating your entire tax debt as one collection case. Regarding employer withholding, the IRS can issue a lock-in letter that mandates certain withholding, regardless of whether you have a payment plan. However, once you establish a payment plan that's in good standing, you can request they release or modify the withholding requirements. This isn't automatic though - you'd need to specifically request it after having a good payment history.

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I was in a similar tax situation last year with multiple years in CNC and one year they were actively pursuing. I spent HOURS going in circles with the IRS until I finally tried taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) and uploaded my transcripts there. Their system actually highlighted the exact codes that showed my rights as a taxpayer in this situation! The analysis pointed out that while the IRS generally wants to resolve all outstanding tax years at once, there are exceptions for years with different collection statuses. The site showed me exactly what to say to the IRS and which Internal Revenue Manual sections to reference. The IRS rep I spoke with immediately changed their approach when I mentioned the specific IRM sections. Instead of the $600/month plan they initially insisted on, I got approved for $175/month for just the active collection year. The other CNC years remained paused.

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How does the transcript analysis actually work? I've got some weird codes on mine too but have no idea what they mean. Does it explain everything or do you need to know what you're looking for?

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Mei Wong

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Mei Wong

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Liam McGuire

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How does this actually work? The IRS hold times are brutal right now. Do they just keep calling for you or something? Seems too convenient to be real.

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Amara Eze

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Amara Eze

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Ok I need to eat some crow here. After posting my skeptical comment yesterday, I decided to try Claimyr myself since I've been trying to reach the IRS about my own CNC situation for WEEKS. Holy crap it actually worked! Got connected to an IRS rep in under 20 minutes when I had been trying for literally 3+ hours multiple times over several weeks. The agent was able to confirm my CNC status on several tax years and explained why one year wasn't included. I was able to demonstrate my financial situation hadn't changed, and she agreed to review that year for potential CNC status as well. She even helped me understand why my CSED date was extended on one year (turns out filing for an extension also extends the collection statute). I'm still in disbelief that after all my failed attempts to reach someone, this service actually got me through so quickly. Huge weight off my shoulders.

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Be really careful with CNC status! The IRS can revoke it at any time if they think your financial situation has improved. They'll also file a tax lien against you if the total amount is over $10,000, which demolishes your credit score. I would suggest considering an Offer in Compromise instead of relying on CNC status. With an OIC, you can potentially settle all your tax debt for less than the full amount, and it's a permanent resolution unlike CNC.

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Yuki Sato

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I've heard about Offer in Compromise but wasn't sure if I'd qualify. Does having years already in CNC status mean I'd be more likely to get an OIC approved? The total amount I owe across all years is around $37,000, but almost $29,000 of that is from the CNC years. Would they consider settling everything including the 2019 year they're pursuing now?

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Having years in CNC status actually could help your OIC case since it demonstrates the IRS has already recognized some financial hardship in your situation. The key question for an OIC is what they call "reasonable collection potential" - how much they think they could reasonably collect from you before the collection statute expires. With a total debt of $37,000, you might be able to settle for significantly less through an OIC. They would consider all years together, including 2019. The fact that they've already designated most years as CNC suggests you have a decent chance at an acceptable offer, though you'll need to complete detailed financial disclosure forms (433-A) to support your offer amount.

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - check if any of your tax debt is approaching the 10-year CSED (Collection Statute Expiration Date). If so, sometimes it's better to wait it out than agree to a payment plan! When you enter into an installment agreement, the statute is suspended during the plan plus 30 days after it ends. So you could accidentally extend the life of tax debt that would otherwise expire soon.

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Dylan Wright

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This is super important advice! I didn't realize this and ended up extending my CSED by almost 2 years by agreeing to a payment plan right before the 10-year mark. I should have just waited it out. Also worth noting that there are other things that extend the CSED besides payment plans - filing bankruptcy, submitting an offer in compromise, requesting a collection due process hearing, etc. Always check your transcript for the actual CSED date.

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The combination of CNC status on multiple years while they actively pursue one specific year creates a complex situation that requires careful navigation. Here's my take based on what you've shared: First, don't feel bad about rejecting their initial offer - $500+ monthly escalating payments for someone who already has most years in CNC status due to financial hardship seems excessive. The fact that six of your seven years have TC 530 codes is significant leverage. Regarding the single-year payment plan issue: While IRS reps often say they can't do single-year agreements, there are exceptions. You should specifically ask about a "streamlined installment agreement" for just the 2019 liability, referencing the fact that the other years are already determined to be uncollectible due to your financial situation. The 2010 debt extending to 2026 is worth investigating further. That's a 16-year collection period, which suggests multiple statute extensions occurred (possibly previous payment plans, OIC applications, or bankruptcy). Request a copy of your CSED worksheet to understand exactly why it was extended. When they ask for financial statements, be prepared to demonstrate that your financial situation hasn't materially changed since the October 2022 CNC determination. If it hasn't improved, you might even be able to get the 2019 year put into CNC status as well. The employer withholding lock-in can be challenged once you establish a payment agreement and demonstrate compliance. This isn't automatic but is definitely possible. My advice: Call back, reference the CNC status on your other years, and propose a reasonable payment amount for just 2019 that aligns with your demonstrated financial capacity from the CNC determination.

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