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One thing to remember about First Time Abatement for estimated tax penalties - it truly is a "first time" thing. The IRS typically only grants FTA once every 3-4 years per tax type. If you get it now, don't count on getting it again anytime soon! I'd recommend also setting up proper estimated tax payments going forward. The IRS Direct Pay system lets you schedule quarterly payments in advance, and you can use Form 1040-ES to calculate approximately how much you should pay each quarter based on your expected income.
Thanks for that tip! Do you know if using the FTA for an estimated tax penalty would prevent me from using it for other types of penalties in the future? Like if I somehow ended up with a late filing penalty next year?
Good question. The FTA policy is actually applied separately to different types of penalties. So using your FTA for an estimated tax penalty wouldn't prevent you from qualifying for an FTA on a late filing or late payment penalty in the future. The IRS treats each penalty type as its own category for FTA purposes. But you should still aim to avoid penalties altogether since FTAs aren't guaranteed and depend on your compliance history.
Has anyone tried just calling the IRS Practitioner Priority Line instead of filing Form 843? I'm a tax preparer and sometimes we can get estimated tax penalties removed over the phone if it's a first-time situation and the amount is under $1,000.
11 Just to confirm what others have said - a tax year is always January through December, regardless of when you actually worked during that year. Your 2021 W-2s would cover any money you earned from January 1, 2021 through December 31, 2021. Another option nobody mentioned: If you still have your final paystub from November 2021, it might have your year-to-date earnings listed, which would include all your wages from January-November. Some financial aid offices will accept this as temporary proof while you're trying to get your official W-2s. Worth asking your financial aid office!
19 This is really good advice! I work in a college financial aid office, and we do sometimes accept last paystubs as temporary documentation especially in cases like this. We'd still need the official documents eventually, but it can buy you some time with deadlines.
11 Thanks for the additional info! I didn't even think about the paystub option. You're right that the year-to-date information would essentially show the same income information that would be on the W-2. I should have also mentioned that the employer is required by law to provide a replacement W-2, so being persistent with them is important. If they refuse, you can actually report them to the IRS using Form 4852 (substitute for W-2), which also puts some pressure on them to comply.
23 has anyone had luck with the irs phone number for getting wage info? ive been calling 800-829-1040 but keep getting disconnected. is there a better number specifically for w-2 issues??? this is so frustrating!!!
9 Just wanted to add that if you owe that much, definitely look into an Offer in Compromise. The IRS might settle for significantly less than you owe if you can prove you don't have the ability to pay the full amount. Had a friend who owed around $80k and ended up settling for about $25k. Not saying you'll get the same result, but definitely worth exploring with a tax pro.
1 Would I still qualify for an Offer in Compromise if I have decent income now? I'm making good money these days, but those back taxes are from when my business failed and I had almost no income for a while.
9 Current income is definitely a factor they consider, but it's not the only one. They look at your overall financial situation including assets, expenses, future earning potential, and ability to pay. Even with good current income, if the total debt is large enough compared to your projected ability to pay over the collection period, you might still qualify. The key is having a professional properly document your financial situation and submit the offer correctly. The forms and financial statements need to be accurate but presented in a way that shows why a settlement makes sense for both you and the IRS. The official term they use is "doubt as to collectibility" - they want to collect what's reasonable rather than an amount that would cause financial hardship.
4 Random question but does anyone know if TurboTax even allows you to file returns from 2021-2022 at this point? I thought they might remove access to previous tax years after a certain point.
13 They do allow back tax filing, but you have to buy the software for those specific years. You can still purchase previous year versions of TurboTax, but they're not always easy to find on their website. Search specifically for "TurboTax 2021" or "TurboTax 2022" and you'll find links to buy those versions.
If you don't want to use any services, here's what worked for me with my 2020 deferred payment. In EFTPS, after logging in: 1. Select Tax Form: Individual 2. Tax Type: 1040 Individual Income Tax 3. Tax Period: 2020 (SUPER important - don't select 2025!) 4. Payment Amount: (your deferred amount) I also called my tax accountant to confirm, and he said this was correct. My payment went through fine, and I received confirmation that it was applied to my 2020 liability. The system is actually designed to handle these deferred payments properly.
Did you need to include any special notes or memo with your payment? I've heard conflicting info about whether that's necessary.
I did include a note in the memo field saying "Schedule 3 Line 12e Deferred Payment" just to be extra careful, but my accountant said it wasn't strictly necessary as long as I selected the correct tax year (2020). The most important thing is selecting the right tax year since that's how the IRS computer systems match the payment to your account. The memo is more of a backup in case there's any confusion later and you need to prove your intent.
Just wanted to add that I've been in your shoes and the EFTPS system is confusing as heck when dealing with deferred taxes! One thing nobody mentioned - make sure you schedule your payment at least ONE BUSINESS DAY before the deadline. EFTPS isn't like paying a bill online where it processes immediately. I learned this the hard way and ended up with a late payment penalty even though I submitted the payment on the due date. Super frustrating!!
EFTPS has always been one day delayed for me too. Is there any tax software that lets you pay deferred taxes more easily? Trying to avoid using EFTPS altogether if possible.
Ava Martinez
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you're tracking the dates and amounts of ALL money transfers both ways! I got audited last year because my uncle in Vietnam was sending me money from his business, and I couldn't properly document which portions were returns of my initial investment versus actual profit. The IRS assumed it was ALL taxable income because I couldn't prove otherwise. Cost me thousands in taxes plus penalties. Keep meticulous records of every transfer with notes about what each payment represents.
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Amara Okafor
ā¢That's really helpful advice - thank you! What kind of documentation would you recommend I keep? Right now I'm just planning to save the wire transfer receipts, but should I be doing something more formal like writing up agreements with my grandfather?
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Ava Martinez
ā¢Definitely save all wire transfer receipts, but that's just the beginning. You should create a simple investment agreement document (doesn't need to be fancy) that clearly states your initial investment amount and the terms for repayment. For each payment received, have your grandfather specify in writing (even just an email) what the payment represents - whether it's returning your initial capital, profit distribution, or a personal gift. Keep a running spreadsheet tracking the remaining balance of your initial investment so you can clearly show when you've been fully paid back and subsequent payments are profits.
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Miguel Ramos
I see lots of complicated advice here but y'all are forgetting the option to just file the FBAR and check that foreign accounts box on Schedule B and leave it at that. Thats what my tax guy told me to do for money my parents business in Korea sends me. As long as you're reporting the accounts exist, the rest is just splitting hairs unless we're talking about serious money (like $50k+).
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Giovanni Colombo
ā¢I have to respectfully disagree with this approach. While filing the FBAR is absolutely necessary if you meet the $10,000 threshold, it only reports the existence of foreign accounts - it doesn't address your tax obligations on the income. The IRS treats different types of foreign income very differently. Investment returns, business profits, and gifts all have distinct reporting requirements and tax treatments. Taking a simplified approach could lead to significant underreporting penalties if audited.
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