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Another option worth exploring is a mega backdoor Roth if your employer plan allows after-tax (not Roth) contributions and in-service distributions or in-plan Roth conversions. The limits are much higher than regular backdoor Roth - you could potentially put away $40k+ extra beyond your regular 401k limit. Not all plans offer this though, so check with your HR or benefits department. The key words to ask about are "after-tax contributions" (different from Roth) and either "in-plan Roth conversions" or "in-service distributions.
Would I have to pay taxes on the conversion from after-tax to Roth though? I'm confused about how this is different from just doing a backdoor Roth IRA.
You only pay taxes on the growth between the time you make the after-tax contribution and when you convert it to Roth. If you convert frequently (some plans even allow automatic conversions), this tax amount is minimal. The main difference from a backdoor Roth IRA is the amount you can contribute. A backdoor Roth IRA is limited to $7,000 per year (2025 limit for those under 50). With the mega backdoor Roth, you could potentially contribute up to around $43,500 more (the exact amount depends on your plan and the total annual 401k limit of $70,000 for 2025 minus your regular contributions and employer match).
Something nobody has mentioned - simple taxable brokerage account might actually be better in some cases? I use one alongside my 401k. The benefits: no contribution limits, complete flexibility to withdraw anytime without penalties, and long-term capital gains tax rates (which are lower than ordinary income rates for most people). Plus you can tax-loss harvest during market downturns, which isn't possible in retirement accounts. Just buy tax-efficient ETFs that don't distribute much in dividends and hold long-term.
Great point about the flexibility! But don't you lose a lot to taxes on dividends and capital gains compared to Roth growth that's completely tax-free?
I think everyone's missing something important here. Education expenses might be better deducted as business expenses on Schedule C rather than as work-related education deductions. If your wife's counseling practice is a legitimate business (which it sounds like it is), the doctoral program costs could be deductible as ordinary and necessary business expenses. Same goes for your accounting degree and the carwash business. The key is proper documentation showing how these educational expenses are ordinary and necessary for your CURRENT businesses. Keep detailed records of how specific courses directly relate to skills needed in your existing businesses. This approach has worked better for me than trying to use the education deductions, which have more limitations since the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.
Can you explain more about how to document this? Like what kind of proof would you need to show the IRS that your education is "ordinary and necessary" for your business? I'm taking some digital marketing courses and want to deduct them for my Etsy shop.
Documentation is crucial. I keep a business education folder with: course descriptions/syllabi highlighting specific skills taught, a written explanation connecting each course to specific aspects of my current business operations, evidence that these skills are industry standards (like professional association recommendations), and a log tracking how I've implemented these skills in my business. For your digital marketing courses and Etsy shop, save the course descriptions, then create a document explaining how each marketing technique directly applies to growing your existing Etsy business. Track your marketing metrics before and after implementing what you learn to show business purpose. If similar businesses commonly use these marketing techniques, note that as evidence that the education is "ordinary" in your field.
Has anyone mentioned the dollar limits here? Education expenses can add up FAST. My husband & I got hit with AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) one year because our deductions were too high. Make sure you're looking at the big picture with all your deductions combined! Also something to consider - would these education expenses qualify for any tax CREDITS instead of deductions? Credits are usually worth more. Look into Lifetime Learning Credit if you haven't already.
That's a really good point about credits vs deductions! I think business expense deductions don't have the same caps as education credits though? At least that was my understanding. Can you take BOTH the business education deduction AND education credits for the same expenses?
Something similar happened to me in 2023. Even without the 1099-MISC, you need to report the income. Here's what I did: 1. I reported all income on Schedule C with the company name and address (found through Google) 2. I didn't have their EIN, so I just noted "business closed" in my tax records 3. I kept all my payment receipts, contracts, and email communications as backup The IRS never questioned it. Remember - THEY know you got paid because the company would have deducted those payments on THEIR taxes, even if they didn't send you the form. Don't risk underreporting!
But what happens if the amount the company reports paying you (if they filed anything before going bankrupt) doesn't match what you report? Could that trigger an audit?
That's a good question. If there's a discrepancy, it potentially could raise a flag in the IRS system. However, if you're reporting based on your actual income records (bank deposits, etc.), you're still doing the right thing. If the company reported incorrectly before going bankrupt, that's their mistake, not yours. Just make sure you have documentation of all the income you received - bank statements, invoices, contracts, emails confirming payments. If you're ever questioned, you can show you reported based on your actual earnings. The IRS is generally understanding when you can show you made a good-faith effort to report accurately.
Has anyone dealt with the state tax implications of this? I'm in California and had a similar issue last year, and the state tax board was actually more picky than the IRS about documentation.
CA resident here too. The Franchise Tax Board definitely wants documentation, but I found they accepted my own records (invoices + bank statements) when I couldn't get a 1099 from a client who went out of business. I included a brief statement explaining the situation with my filing.
Has anyone tried setting up EFTPS (Electronic Federal Tax Payment System) for their estimated payments? I switched to that last year and found it helpful for tracking payments. You get confirmation numbers for each transaction. Doesn't stop the duplicate notices but at least gives you proof of payment.
I've heard about EFTPS but am confused about the setup process. Does it link directly to your bank account? And does it automatically calculate how much you should pay each quarter or do you still need to figure that out yourself?
Yes, you link it directly to your bank account during the setup process. It's a government system that lets you schedule and make federal tax payments online. It doesn't calculate your estimated payment amounts for you - you'll still need to determine that yourself based on your income projections. But it does give you an immediate confirmation number when you make a payment, which is super helpful for record-keeping. You can also view your payment history anytime, which makes it easier to verify that your payments were received if you get duplicate notices.
I had this same problem and it turns out in my case the two notices were actually for different things! One was the regular quarterly estimated tax payment reminder, but the second one was actually for an underpayment penalty from the previous year that just LOOKED similar. Check the form numbers carefully - if one is a CP-30 and the other is CP-503 or something different, they might be for different issues.
Jackson Carter
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Ian Armstrong
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