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I'm a parent of a 26-year-old with a disability, and we've dealt with the SGA question multiple times. Here's what I've learned: The Social Security Administration and the IRS have different standards for SGA. For the IRS dependent exemption, they're primarily concerned with the support test (do you provide more than half their support?) rather than strictly applying the SSA's SGA limits. In my experience, a brief period of increased work during the holiday season hasn't affected our ability to claim our son as a dependent, especially since his annual income was still low and we continued to provide most of his support throughout the year.
That's interesting! So are you saying the IRS doesn't strictly apply the $1,470 monthly limit that the SSA uses? My daughter has Down syndrome and occasionally works more hours for special events, but we still provide over 90% of her support.
That's right - while the IRS and SSA both use the term "substantial gainful activity," the IRS focuses more on the overall support situation rather than rigidly applying the monthly earnings limit. If you're providing 90% of your daughter's support, you're well within the requirements to claim her as a dependent. The key test for the IRS is whether you provide more than half of your dependent's total support for the year. The SGA question becomes more relevant if they're earning enough that they might be supporting themselves. Even with occasional higher earnings for special events, it sounds like your situation clearly meets the support test.
Anyone know if there are different SGA thresholds for different types of disabilities? My son has a physical disability but is cognitively typical. He worked at Target during the holiday rush but otherwise works minimal hours the rest of the year.
There are different SGA thresholds for blind individuals versus non-blind individuals with disabilities. In 2023, the threshold was $2,460 per month for blind individuals and $1,470 for non-blind. Doesn't matter what type of disability otherwise - physical, cognitive, etc all fall under the same threshold as long as they're not blind.
There's actually a term for these shady preparers - they're called "ghost preparers" and the IRS has been warning about them for years. They often don't sign the returns they prepare (illegal), promise huge refunds based on fake information, and then disappear when the IRS comes calling. They target social media because they can reach lots of people quickly and disappear just as fast. Some red flags to watch for: - Promises of unusually large refunds - Fees based on percentage of your refund (illegal) - Won't sign the return as a preparer - No PTIN (Preparer Tax Identification Number) - No office address, just social media accounts - Suggesting you claim credits you don't qualify for
Do these ghost preparers ever get caught? Seems like they're scamming a lot of people and the IRS should be all over this.
Yes, the IRS does prosecute these preparers when they catch them, but it's challenging because many operate informally through social media and don't leave much of a paper trail. They often use temporary contact information, prepaid phones, and don't properly sign returns as preparers. The IRS has been conducting a nationwide crackdown on fraudulent preparers, with some high-profile prosecutions resulting in prison time and heavy fines. However, they can't catch everyone, which is why they focus on educating taxpayers about the risks. Remember, even if a preparer completes your return, YOU are legally responsible for all information on it and any resulting penalties.
Just wanted to add one thing - some of these large refunds could be legitimate if the person qualifies for refundable tax credits like the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC). With multiple children and the right income level, the EITC can be worth thousands. The Child Tax Credit is also partially refundable. So not all big refunds are scams!
One important thing to know is that Roth IRAs have income limits for contributions too. For 2021, if you were single and had a modified AGI over $140k (or married filing jointly over $208k), you wouldn't have been eligible to contribute the full amount or possibly any amount to a Roth IRA. If your income was above those limits and you still contributed, you might have an excess contribution issue that would need to be addressed. The penalty for excess contributions is 6% of the excess amount for each year it remains in the account.
Thanks for pointing this out! My income was definitely below those limits in 2021 (around $65k) so I was eligible for the full contribution. I think I might have been confused about how much I actually contributed - just double checked and it was exactly $6k, not $8k like I initially wrote. My memory isn't what it used to be lol. If I'm understanding everyone correctly, since the Roth contribution doesn't affect my tax liability and my income was too high for the Saver's Credit but below the Roth income limits, there's really no benefit to amending my return. Does that sound right?
That's exactly right. If your contribution was $6k (within the limit), your income was below the Roth IRA income thresholds but above the Saver's Credit limit, there's really no reason to amend your return. The IRS already has the information from the Form 5498 that your financial institution filed, and since Roth contributions don't impact your tax liability, you're good to go. One less thing to worry about!
Another thing to consider - if you plan to do backdoor Roth conversions in the future, having accurate records of all your contributions becomes more important for tracking purposes. Even though it may not affect your taxes now, I recommend keeping good records of all your IRA contributions (both traditional and Roth) for future reference.
Can you explain what a "backdoor Roth conversion" is? I keep hearing about it but don't really understand the concept or why it matters for record keeping.
You might want to check your state tax withholding too. When my federal withholding got adjusted between multiple jobs, my state withholding also changed because many state systems piggyback on the federal withholding information. This might be especially important if you live in a high-tax state like CA, NY, or NJ.
Good point! I just checked and you're right - my state withholding also changed on my part-time job. I'm in Illinois, and it looks like they increased the state withholding percentage at the same time as the federal. Any specific suggestions for handling state withholding with multiple jobs? Is it similar to federal or do they have different rules?
State withholding generally follows similar principles to federal, but each state has its own specific forms and calculation methods. For Illinois, they use your federal allowances as a starting point for state withholding calculations. I'd recommend checking the Illinois Department of Revenue website for their withholding calculator or Form IL-W-4. Since both jobs are now withholding correctly, you might just need to make sure your additional withholding amount on your full-time job's W-4 is adjusted downward to account for the new withholding happening at your part-time job. The goal is to get your total withholding across both jobs to match your expected tax liability.
Has anyone else noticed that the FITWH on multiple jobs seems to be calculated weirdly this year? Like my second job is withholding at a much higher rate per dollar than my main job even though they both have the same W-4 settings? Is that normal?
That's actually by design! The 2020 W-4 redesign and IRS withholding tables are set up so that if you check the multiple jobs box, your second/lower paying job often has a higher withholding percentage. This is because the system assumes your first job already uses up your standard deduction and lower tax brackets, so additional income is taxed at higher marginal rates.
Zoey Bianchi
Don't forget to check if you qualify for an Earned Income Tax Credit especially with one spouse not working now. That can significantly reduce what you owe or even give you a refund depending on your income level and if you have kids. Also, did you both adjust your W-4 withholdings after getting married? A lot of newlyweds forget this step and end up underwithholding throughout the year, which results in owing money at tax time.
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Ella Knight
ā¢Thanks for mentioning this. We actually don't have kids yet, so I'm not sure if we'd qualify for the EITC. And honestly, I don't think either of us updated our W-4s after getting married - I didn't even know that was a thing we needed to do. Would fixing that help us for this year's taxes or just for next year?
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Zoey Bianchi
ā¢You can still qualify for EITC without children, though the amount is smaller. It depends on your income level - for 2023 taxes, married couples filing jointly with no qualifying children can get EITC if their income is below about $24,210. Regarding the W-4 adjustments, unfortunately that would only help you for future tax years, not for the return you've already filed. But you should definitely both submit new W-4 forms to your employers right away to prevent this problem next year. When both spouses work, you often need to withhold at a higher rate than single filers to account for your combined income pushing you into higher tax brackets. The IRS has a Tax Withholding Estimator tool on their website that can help you fill out your W-4 correctly.
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Christopher Morgan
One thing no one's mentioned yet - have you considered filing Married Filing Separately instead of jointly? Sometimes that can result in a lower tax bill depending on your situation, especially if one of you has significant medical expenses or other itemized deductions.
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Aurora St.Pierre
ā¢This is generally bad advice for most people. MFS rarely results in tax savings and actually disqualifies you from several tax benefits like education credits, child care credits, and earned income credit. It's usually only beneficial in very specific situations like when one spouse has income-based student loan payments or massive medical expenses.
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