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I'm a bit confused about something related to this. If you contribute to a Roth 401k instead of a traditional 401k, you don't get the tax deduction now, right? But you still might qualify for the Saver's Credit on Form 8880 if you're under the income limits?
Thanks for mentioning this! We actually have the option for both traditional and Roth 401k at our jobs. Sounds like with our income level, traditional might make more sense since we don't qualify for Form 8880 anyway?
Thanks for clarifying that! I've been trying to decide between traditional and Roth for my 401k contributions. My second question - does Massachusetts treat 401k contributions differently than the federal government for state income tax purposes?
One thing that hasn't been mentioned - make sure you're looking at your AGI (Adjusted Gross Income) when determining eligibility for Form 8880, not your total income. Your traditional 401k contributions actually LOWER your AGI, which could potentially bring you under the threshold for the Saver's Credit if you're close to the cutoff. Example: If you and your spouse have $75,000 in combined income, but contribute $5,000 to traditional 401ks, your AGI would be $70,000, which would put you under the $73,000 threshold for 2025 and make you eligible for at least a partial credit on Form 8880.
This is a great point! I think a lot of people miss this. Increasing your traditional 401k contributions can sometimes make you eligible for other credits and deductions that have income limitations, not just potentially the Saver's Credit.
Just to add a bit more info on the gift part of your question - be aware that when your parents gift you money for the down payment, your mortgage lender will require a gift letter stating the money doesn't need to be repaid. Then when you gift money back to them after selling your co-op, that's technically a separate transaction. Make sure both gifts are properly documented. If either gift exceeds $17,000 per person per year, the giver needs to file Form 709, though no tax is typically due until you exceed the lifetime gift exemption (currently over $12 million).
Thanks for all the great advice everyone! So just to make sure I understand: 1) We won't owe capital gains tax on the co-op sale since we've lived there over 2 years and the profit is well under the $500k married exclusion. 2) The gift from my parents and our gift back to them are separate transactions that may require gift tax forms but probably no actual tax. Does that sound right?
Yes, that's exactly right! You won't owe any capital gains tax on the co-op sale because you meet the primary residence requirements and your gain is well below the $500,000 exclusion for married couples. As for the gifts, they're indeed separate transactions. If any single person gives more than $17,000 to another individual in a year, the giver needs to file Form 709 (Gift Tax Return). But this is just for reporting purposes - no actual tax would be due unless someone has already used up their lifetime gift exemption of over $12 million. For example, if your parents are married and gave you $75,000, they could structure it as each giving $17,000 to both you and your wife ($68,000 total) without even needing to file Form 709, with only $7,000 counting against their lifetime exemption.
Make sure you keep good records of your cost basis in the co-op! The purchase price is just the starting point - you can also include closing costs from when you bought it, plus any capital improvements you made over the years (renovations, new appliances, etc.) These all increase your basis and reduce the taxable gain, though in your case it sounds like you'll be under the exclusion amount regardless.
Do HOA special assessments count toward basis? Our co-op had a major plumbing project and we paid about $8k in special assessments over the years.
I worked as a tax preparer for 8 years, and I can tell you these people aren't lying. The reality is that the IRS collection division is massively backlogged. They have literally millions of cases and not nearly enough staff to pursue them all. They prioritize cases based on several factors: amount owed, ease of collection, and how close the statute of limitations is to expiring. For a regular W-2 employee, it's nearly impossible to avoid taxes since they're withheld automatically. The people who successfully "don't pay taxes" for years are usually self-employed, cash-business owners, or contractors who don't have withholding. Even then, the IRS will eventually catch up with most of them - it just might take much longer than you'd expect.
If you know someone hasn't been paying taxes for years, can you report them anonymously? Asking for a neighbor who brags about this constantly while driving his new boat...
Yes, you can report suspected tax fraud using IRS Form 3949-A, or by calling the IRS Tax Fraud Hotline. These reports are kept confidential, and you can submit them anonymously, though providing your information might help if the IRS needs clarification (they won't disclose your identity to the person you're reporting). That said, be careful about reporting based solely on someone's bragging. Sometimes people who talk about "not paying taxes" are exaggerating or might actually mean they found legal deductions that reduced their tax bill to zero. The IRS has limited resources and false reports can waste those resources. But if your neighbor is clearly living beyond their means while claiming to evade taxes, that combination of factors might interest the IRS.
I think a lot of these people ARE actually filing tax returns - they just aren't PAYING what they owe. There's a big difference. The IRS cares way more about people not filing at all vs filing but not paying the full amount. Non-filers get priority attention.
Don't forget Form 8594! You absolutely need to file this when acquiring business assets, including goodwill. This form requires you to allocate the purchase price among different asset classes. Even though you're paying with services instead of cash, you still need to complete this form. Also consider whether there's anything else you're acquiring besides just the customer list/goodwill. Are there any tangible assets? Any covenant not to compete? Sometimes breaking down the acquisition into different components can give you a more favorable tax treatment than lumping everything into goodwill.
Thanks for mentioning Form 8594. I had no idea about that! If I'm getting some proprietary processes along with the customers, would those be classified differently than just the customer list? And do you know if there's a minimum value threshold for filing Form 8594?
Proprietary processes would likely be classified as "Section 197 intangibles" similar to goodwill, which means they'd also be amortized over 15 years. They might be allocated to a different asset class on Form 8594, but the tax treatment would be similar. There's no minimum threshold for filing Form 8594. If you're acquiring business assets that constitute a trade or business, you need to file it regardless of the amount. The IRS wants to ensure that both buyer and seller are treating the transaction consistently.
Seems like everyone's forgetting the other side of this transaction. You're providing services without monetary compensation, but that's still taxable income to you! You need to report the FMV of the goodwill as income on your Schedule C in the year you perform the services. So yes, you'll pay tax upfront on the full value, but only get to deduct it slowly over 15 years. Welcome to the wonderful world of tax timing differences!
This is exactly right. I did something similar a few years ago and got hit with a surprise tax bill because I didn't realize I needed to claim the value of the assets I received as immediate income. Make sure you set aside money for the taxes!
Mei Lin
Something nobody's mentioned yet - if you're self-employed and have a legitimate home office that you claim on your taxes, some home improvements that benefit your office space might be partially deductible as a business expense. I'm not talking about the whole kitchen renovation, but if you replace windows or upgrade HVAC that serves your office space, you might deduct the percentage that corresponds with your home office percentage. I did this last year when I replaced all my windows - my home office is 12% of my home's square footage, so I was able to deduct 12% of the window cost as a business expense. Obviously talk to a tax professional to confirm your specific situation qualifies.
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Mateo Hernandez
β’That's a really interesting point! I actually do have a home office I use for my side business that takes up about 15% of my house. If I'm replacing the HVAC system as part of this renovation, could I deduct 15% of that cost as a business expense then? Would the same apply to a roof replacement?
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Mei Lin
β’Yes, if you legitimately use that space exclusively as a home office for your business, you could potentially deduct 15% of the HVAC cost as a business expense. The IRS allows this when repairs/improvements benefit both personal and business parts of your home. For a roof replacement, the same principle applies - you could potentially deduct 15% of the cost. However, these would likely need to be depreciated over time rather than deducted all at once. Definitely keep detailed records of all costs and how you calculated the business percentage. This is definitely an area where good documentation is essential if you're ever audited.
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Liam Fitzgerald
Don't forget about tracking your home improvement costs even if they're not deductible now! They increase your home's cost basis, which could reduce capital gains taxes when you sell. My parents didn't keep good records of their improvements over 30 years and ended up paying way more in capital gains when they sold.
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GalacticGuru
β’This is such important advice! My brother just sold his house and wasn't able to prove about $30k in improvements he had made over the years because he didn't keep receipts. That's potentially thousands in extra taxes he had to pay.
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