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I've been using payusatax for years and they consistently don't update their forms until about a week AFTER the official release date. So even if the IRS releases the 2021 stuff on January 15th, don't be surprised if payusatax doesn't have it until the 20th or so. If you're in a rush, you might want to use IRS Direct Pay instead since it updates faster. Just make absolutely sure you select "2021" as the tax year and "1040-ES" as the payment type or it'll get applied to the wrong account.
Do you know if there's any disadvantage to using Direct Pay instead of payusatax? Is one better for record-keeping or anything?
Direct Pay gives you a confirmation number and email receipt just like payusatax does, so the record-keeping is pretty much the same. The main difference is that Direct Pay is completely free while payusatax charges a processing fee. The one downside to Direct Pay is that you can't use a credit card - it has to come directly from your bank account. So if you're trying to get credit card points, you'd need to use payusatax or one of the other third-party processors that accept cards (though they charge an even higher fee for credit card transactions).
Does anybody know if the payment date is considered the date you submit the payment or the date it's processed? I need this payment to count for 2021 Q1 but don't want it accidentally applied to 2020.
The IRS counts the payment date as the day you submit it, not when they process it. So as long as you select "2021" and "1040-ES" when making the payment, you'll be fine. I made this mistake last year - selected the wrong tax year and had to spend hours sorting it out. Double check the tax year selection before submitting!
Thanks for clarifying! That's a relief to know it's based on submission date. I'll definitely double-check the year selection when I submit.
If you know roughly what you owe, just pay it now!! I made the mistake of waiting for the IRS to "process" my return last year and ended up with almost $300 in interest and penalties because it took them 3 months to process everything. The interest clock starts ticking from the original filing deadline, not from when they process your return or send you a bill. I know it feels weird to pay when they haven't asked for the money yet, but trust me, paying sooner rather than later is the way to go.
This is what worries me! Did you have any issues with them properly applying your payment when you made it before they processed your return? And how did you figure out the exact amount with penalties?
No issues with them applying the payment - I paid through the IRS Direct Pay system and selected the correct tax year and form type. The payment posted correctly once they processed my return. As for calculating the exact amount with penalties, that was the tricky part. I didn't know how to do that accurately, which is why I ended up with a small balance due notice later. If I could do it again, I would either pay a bit more than I thought I owed to be safe or use one of the services others have mentioned to get a more precise calculation.
Anyone else having trouble even logging into the IRS website lately? I keep getting timeout errors.
Try early morning (like 6-7am) or late evening. Their site gets overloaded during peak hours. Also clear your cookies or try a different browser. Their site is notoriously bad with certain browser versions.
Thanks for the tip! I'll try early tomorrow morning. Been trying in the afternoon and it's been completely useless. Their tech is so outdated it's ridiculous.
One approach I've taken that's worked well is the "middle path" on aggressiveness. I claim everything I'm legitimately entitled to with proper documentation, but I'm extra careful with certain deductions that tend to trigger audits. For example, with home office deductions, I'm meticulous about only claiming space used "regularly and exclusively" for business. For meals and entertainment, I keep detailed records of who, what, where, when and why (business purpose). For mixed-use items like your laptop, I use conservative business-use percentages and have documentation to back them up. This approach has served me well for 7+ years of self-employment without audit issues. Being thorough but conservative gives me peace of mind.
Thanks for this perspective! How do you handle documentation for things like the business-use percentage for your laptop or phone? Do you keep a log of some kind or just estimate based on your typical usage?
I don't keep a daily log because that would be too cumbersome, but I do periodic sampling. Every quarter, I'll track my usage carefully for about a week, noting business vs. personal time. I document this in a simple spreadsheet showing dates, hours used, and business purpose. For my phone, I use my phone bill to identify business calls and texts versus personal ones during those sample periods. For my laptop, I use a time-tracking app that shows which programs and websites I'm using throughout the day, which helps distinguish between business and personal activities. This periodic sampling gives me a reasonable basis for my percentage rather than just pulling a number out of thin air.
Has anyone here been audited before? I'm curious what the experience is actually like for self-employed people claiming home office and business expenses. What did they focus on most? I've heard horror stories but don't know how much is exaggeration.
I went through a correspondence audit two years ago. They focused heavily on my home office deduction and business travel. They wanted floor plans showing the dedicated office space, photos of the setup, and utility bills to verify the expenses. For travel, they wanted receipts, calendar invites proving business purpose, and mileage logs. The process took about 4 months from start to finish. In my case, I had good documentation for most things, but I did have to pay back some deductions for a conference where I extended the trip for personal reasons but claimed the full airfare. The lesson I learned was that partial-use situations are where they tend to dig in the most.
From what I've heard, the filing season opening date is expected to be January 27th, 2025, but that's just based on previous years' patterns. The IRS usually makes the official announcement in early January. One thing to keep in mind - even if you file on the first day, refunds that include Earned Income Tax Credit or Additional Child Tax Credit won't be issued until mid-February due to the PATH Act requirements. So if you're claiming either of those credits, filing super early won't actually get your refund any faster.
Wait seriously? I didn't know about that delay for EITC. Is there any way around it if I really need my refund ASAP?
Unfortunately there's no way around the EITC/ACTC delay - it's mandated by law through the PATH Act to allow the IRS time to verify claims and reduce fraudulent refunds. Even if you file on the first possible day, the IRS is prohibited from issuing refunds containing those credits before mid-February. If you really need funds quickly, you might consider adjusting your W-4 with your employer now to reduce withholding for the rest of the year, which would give you more money in your paychecks immediately rather than waiting for a tax refund. Just be careful not to underwithhold and end up owing when you file.
Something nobody's mentioned yet - if you use tax software, most companies let you pre-file before the IRS officially opens. You can complete your return, and the company holds it and submits it the moment the IRS system opens. That way you're literally in the first batch processed. I did this last year with TurboTax and got my refund on February 8th, which was pretty quick. Just make sure you have ALL your forms before doing this.
Which tax software do you think is best for early filing? I've used H&R Block online in the past but I'm open to trying something different if it'll get my refund faster.
SebastiΓ‘n Stevens
Another option: consider using a tax professional for your first year filing business taxes. I tried to DIY with payment apps my first year and messed up bad, ended up amending my return. Now I use a CPA who handles everything for about $350, and she finds way more deductions than I ever did on my own. Totally worth it if your business is bringing in decent money.
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Brady Clean
β’Are CPAs really worth the cost for someone who's just starting out? My business only made about $27,000 last year total, and I'm trying to save where I can.
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SebastiΓ‘n Stevens
β’For someone making $27,000, it could still be worth it for your first year. A good CPA will not only file correctly but teach you things about business deductions you might miss. For example, mine showed me how to deduct a portion of my rent as a home office, track mileage, and properly deduct phone/internet expenses. The peace of mind alone can be worth it, plus they might find enough deductions to pay for their fee. That said, if money is really tight, something like FreeTaxUSA is quite good for self-employment income and costs much less than TurboTax while offering similar guidance.
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Bethany Groves
Don't overthink this! I was in your shoes last year. Cash App is just a payment processor, not a tax filing platform. You'll report ALL business income on your Schedule C, no matter how customers paid you. FreeTaxUSA is WAY cheaper than TurboTax for self-employment ($0 federal + state fee vs TurboTax's $120+ for self-employment). Just download your Cash App transaction history and total up what was business income.
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KingKongZilla
β’This is exactly right. I switched from TurboTax to FreeTaxUSA last year and saved almost $100. The interface isn't as pretty but it does the exact same thing and asks all the same questions about business income.
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