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One thing that confused me about Form 8888 for bonds was the registration info. I wasn't sure what to put for the owner names and how to format them. Found out that for bonds, you need to enter the name exactly as you want it to appear on the bond in boxes 5a, 5b, etc. You can do: - Just yourself as sole owner - You with a co-owner (OR between names) - You with a beneficiary (POD between names) If you're buying them as gifts for others, you put their name first, then yours as second name with POD between.
So if I want to buy bonds for my kids, how exactly would I format that? Would it be "Child Name POD My Name" or the other way around?
For buying bonds as gifts for your kids, you would format it as "Child's Name POD Your Name" in the registration box. This makes your child the primary owner with you as the beneficiary who can cash them if needed while they're minors. If your child is very young, this is usually the best approach since they can't manage the bonds themselves yet, but they're still considered the owner. Once they're older, they can cash them with proper ID. Just make sure to include their Social Security Number on the form too.
Does anyone know if there's a limit to how much of your refund you can use for buying bonds with Form 8888? I'm getting back about $5,000 and thinking of putting a good chunk into bonds.
There's a $5,000 annual limit per person for purchasing paper savings bonds. So if your refund is $5,000 and you're the only registrant, you could use the whole thing. If you're buying for multiple people (like kids), each person can have up to $5,000 in bonds purchased for them annually.
Also remember bonds only come in $50 increments, so make sure your amounts are divisible by 50 on the form!
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One thing nobody mentioned about Section 83(b) - if you make the election, you're essentially betting on the company's success. I made this election at my last startup, paid about $3,000 in taxes upfront, and then the company went under 18 months later. Those shares are completely worthless now, and I can't get that tax money back. Make sure you really believe in the company's potential before filing. Consider how much cash you'll need to pay those upfront taxes too - sometimes it can be substantial depending on the grant size and company valuation.
Does the 83(b) election apply to stock options too, or just restricted stock? My offer letter mentions ISOs but I'm not sure if this is relevant for my situation.
The 83(b) election generally applies to restricted stock, not stock options. For ISOs (Incentive Stock Options), you typically don't need to make an 83(b) election because you don't actually own the shares until you exercise the options. With ISOs, you don't pay taxes when they're granted or as they vest. You only pay taxes when you exercise the options (buy the shares) and later when you sell the shares. However, there are some complex AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) considerations with ISOs that might apply depending on your situation. If your compensation includes actual restricted stock (not just options), then the 83(b) would be relevant. Check your specific grant documents to confirm exactly what type of equity you're receiving.
Has anyone actually successfully filed an 83(b) election recently? I sent mine via certified mail 3 weeks ago but haven't received any confirmation from the IRS. Do they normally send something back or am I just supposed to assume they got it?
I filed one last year and never got any formal acknowledgment from the IRS. My tax advisor said that's normal - you just need to keep your certified mail receipt as proof you sent it within the 30-day window. When you file your taxes, you'll attach a copy of the election form. I also sent a copy with a self-addressed stamped envelope requesting they stamp it as received and return it, but never got that back either.
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For your specific situation, having both 2023 and 2024 conversions makes things a bit complicated. Here's how I handle Form 8606 for my annual backdoor Roth: For 2023: - Line 1: $8,100 (your nondeductible contribution) - Lines 2-3: Likely $0 unless you had previous nondeductible contributions - Line 4: $8,100 (same as line 1 if lines 2-3 are zero) - Line 5: $0 (distributions from traditional IRAs - not your conversion amount) - Line 6: $0 (assuming no previous basis in traditional IRAs) - Line 7: $8,100 (your total basis) - Line 8: $8,100 (same as line 7) The tricky part comes with your conversion. Since you did it in April 2024, the conversion itself is actually reported on your 2024 Form 8606, not your 2023 form. The 2023 form just establishes your basis.
This is super helpful, thank you!! So to clarify - on my 2023 Form 8606, I'll only complete lines 1-7 (or 1-8)? And then for 2024, I'll need to report the actual conversion on that year's form?
Exactly! For 2023, you'll only complete Part I (lines 1-7 or 1-8) to establish your nondeductible contribution and basis. You won't complete Part II (the conversion section) on your 2023 form. Then on your 2024 Form 8606, you'll complete both parts. Part I will show any new 2024 contributions, and Part II will show your April 2024 conversion of the 2023 contribution. Your basis from the 2023 form carries over to the 2024 form. This ensures you don't get taxed twice on the money. The important thing is making sure you file the 2023 Form 8606 to establish that initial basis, even if you're not reporting a conversion on it.
Has anyone used TurboTax for handling Form 8606 and backdoor Roth conversions? I tried last year and it seemed to mess up my basis calculation. Any better tax software recommendations?
I switched to FreeTaxUSA after TurboTax kept calculating my Form 8606 wrong. It has better handling of backdoor Roth conversions and actually explains the basis calculations clearly. Plus it's way cheaper!
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One thing nobody's mentioned is that your mom should calculate the actual dollar value of all support. List every expense related to your support (housing, food, utilities, tuition, books, clothing, medical, etc.) and figure out the total amount. Then determine how much she paid vs how much you paid from your own money. If you're using student loans for education expenses, those count as support YOU provided, not your mother - that trips up a lot of people. Same with scholarships (those are considered support provided by a third party, not by either of you).
Wait, student loans count as support provided by the student?? I had no idea. What about if the parent is a cosigner on the loan? And do parent PLUS loans count as support from the parent?
Student loans are indeed considered support provided by the student even if a parent cosigns, because the student is ultimately responsible for repaying the loan. This is a common misunderstanding that causes problems during audits. For Parent PLUS loans, those DO count as support provided by the parent because the parent is legally responsible for repaying them, not the student. This distinction is important when calculating the total support. Another thing people often miss is that qualified tuition paid directly by the parent to the educational institution always counts as support from the parent.
My situation was very similar but I was confused about whether to include my son's tuition when calculating support. He had a scholarship that covered 75% of it. When you calculate total support, do you include the full tuition amount?
Yes, you should include the full tuition amount in the total support calculation. The scholarship portion counts as support provided by a third party (not by either you or your son). So when determining if you provided more than 50% of support, the formula would be: (Amount you paid) ÷ (Total support including full tuition) > 50% The "total support" denominator includes everything: full tuition (including scholarship portion), housing, food, medical, etc. from ALL sources.
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3 What state do you live in? Some states have much stricter penalties for late filing than the federal government. I got hit with a $100 minimum penalty in California even though I was only late by a month and owed less than $200 in state taxes.
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•17 This is actually a really good point. I'm in New York and they hit me with penalties even when the federal government didn't. Check your state's department of revenue website - some states offer first-time penalty abatement if you've had a good filing history before this.
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9 Don't panic! I filed 3 years of back taxes last summer and it was way less scary than I thought. For your W2s, you can get wage and income transcripts directly from the IRS website by creating an account at irs.gov/transcripts - it's free and shows everything that was reported to the IRS under your SSN. You can still use regular tax software for prior years (they usually sell previous year versions), but you'll have to mail in the return rather than e-file. Just be super clear that it's for tax year 2022 on all the forms. I highly recommend getting it done ASAP though - if you're owed a refund, there's no penalty, but if you end up owing anything, the penalties and interest continue to grow.
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