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I think everyone's overcomplicating this. IRC 334(b)(1) is pretty clear - in a 332 liquidation, the basis of property received by the parent corporation is the same as it was in the hands of the distributing corporation. No choices, no elections, just a straightforward carryover basis rule. The parent might have choices about HOW to structure the transaction in the first place (like whether to qualify for 332 treatment), but once you're in 332 territory, the basis rules in 334(b) are fixed.
But what about Section 336(e)? Doesn't that election let you treat the liquidation differently for basis purposes? I thought that gave corporations some flexibility in how assets are valued during liquidation.
Good question about 336(e). That election is different - it applies to certain stock dispositions, not to the liquidation itself. A 336(e) election can apply when a corporation sells stock of a subsidiary, and it essentially treats the transaction as an asset sale rather than a stock sale. But in a straight 332 liquidation where the parent is receiving assets directly from its subsidiary, 334(b)(1) controls and mandates carryover basis. The flexibility you're thinking about might relate to planning opportunities before the liquidation, but not to the basis determination once you're in a qualifying 332 liquidation.
Speaking from experience, the original poster should be extremely careful about relying on forum advice for something this complex. I made that mistake with a similar corporate liquidation scenario last year. I recommend consulting a corporate tax specialist because these transactions have many moving parts beyond just the basic code provisions. Things like E&P, previously taxed income, loss disallowance rules, etc., can all affect the overall tax results even if the basic carryover basis rule is straightforward.
Totally agree. My company did a subsidiary liquidation last year and we got caught by the built-in loss limitations we didn't know about. Cost us a fortune. Would have been worth paying a specialist!
Watch out for the "married filing separately" option if either of you has income-based student loan payments! My husband and I tried filing separately last year because we thought it would save on taxes with our different state situations, but it completely messed up my income-based repayment calculation and actually cost us more in the long run.
This is so true! I made this mistake and my student loan payment jumped from $380 to over $900 per month because filing separately changed my income calculation. Filing jointly ended up being cheaper overall even though we paid slightly more in taxes.
For the FBAR question - yes, you absolutely need to file if the aggregate value of all foreign accounts exceeded $10k at any point. This is one area where the IRS does NOT mess around. Penalties for non-filing can be insane even if you owe no tax on those accounts. The good news is filing the FBAR is relatively simple and doesn't usually impact your tax liability. It's just an information form. But don't skip it - the penalties start at $10,000 for non-willful violations.
Don't forget about state taxes! Everyone's talking about federal returns, but if your partner lives in a state with income tax, they'll need to file those past returns too. Some states have separate amnesty programs or different penalties than the IRS.
That's such a good point I completely overlooked! We're in California, so definitely have state taxes to deal with too. Would the process be similar for catching up on state returns?
The process for California is similar but has some key differences. You'll need to file the past state returns separately using California's specific forms for each tax year. California's Franchise Tax Board (FTB) has their own document retrieval system, penalties, and payment plans that are separate from the IRS. What's actually helpful is that California has an online system that's sometimes easier to navigate than the federal one. You can register for a MyFTB account to access wage information and other tax documents the state has on file. Their payment plans tend to be shorter than IRS plans though, usually 12-36 months instead of up to 72.
has anyone used one of those tax relief companies that advertise on radio? they claim they can settle with irs for pennies on the dollar. my brother owes like $40k and is thinking of using one
I'd be very cautious about those tax relief companies. What they're referring to is called an "Offer in Compromise" which is a legitimate IRS program, but most people don't qualify for it. These companies often charge thousands of dollars upfront with no guarantee of results. The IRS only accepts offers when they believe the amount offered is the most they can expect to collect within a reasonable time period. Your brother would need to prove significant financial hardship. Many of these companies take large fees and submit applications that get rejected anyway.
The marriage penalty hits hardest when both spouses earn similar, higher incomes. With $125k and $68k, you're not in the worst of it, but still affected. One thing to consider - are you both claiming the standard deduction? If you have mortgage interest, significant charitable contributions, or other potential itemized deductions, you might benefit from itemizing now that you're married. This could offset some of the marriage penalty effect. Also, make sure you're accounting for any pre-tax deductions like 401k contributions, HSA contributions, or healthcare premiums in your withholding calculations. These reduce your taxable income and might lower your additional withholding needs.
We both have 401k contributions (I'm at 8%, he's at 6%) and health insurance premiums that come out pre-tax. We don't own a home yet so no mortgage interest. Would increasing our 401k contributions help reduce this withholding shock? We're trying to save for a house down payment, so losing $633/month is really going to hurt that goal.
Increasing your 401k contributions would definitely help reduce your withholding requirements. For every additional percent you contribute, you'll lower your taxable income and potentially reduce those extra withholdings. For example, if you each increased your 401k contributions by just 2% (you to 10%, him to 8%), that would reduce your combined taxable income by about $3,860 annually, which could lower your withholding needs by roughly $850-900 per year. Plus, you'd be building more retirement savings. It's a win-win, though I understand it's a tradeoff with saving for the house down payment.
I got hit with this last year! We actually decided to adjust our withholdings to a slightly lower amount than recommended (did about $500/month instead of the $650 it suggested) and then made sure to save some extra money each month in case we owed at tax time. Ended up owing about $800 when we filed, which wasn't too bad. The marriage penalty is definitely real for dual-income couples with similar earnings. The withholding calculator is usually pretty accurate, but you can try running the numbers through tax software like FreeTaxUSA as a double-check. Just input your expected incomes for the year and see what it estimates for your taxes.
Did you use an online tax prep service to do this "test run" or is there a specific calculator you'd recommend?
StarStrider
I'm a bit confused about everyone saying the OP has rights here. If you sold your ownership and are completely out of the business, isn't it the current owner's problem now? When I sold my share of a business, I was just given a final K-1 and that was that.
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Dylan Campbell
ā¢The key difference is that OP was a 50% owner for the ENTIRE year in question. It's not about current ownership - it's about who had ownership during the tax period being filed. The business operations during that year were under both partners, so both should have input on how those operations are reported to the IRS.
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Sofia Torres
Don't forget that you can always file Form 8082 (Notice of Inconsistent Treatment) if you disagree with how the partnership return was filed. This lets you take a position on your personal return that's different from what's reported on your K-1. It's not ideal, but it's a fallback option if your ex-partner refuses to cooperate.
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Dmitry Sokolov
ā¢Wouldn't filing an 8082 potentially trigger an audit though? I've always heard this form raises red flags with the IRS.
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Sofia Torres
ā¢Filing Form 8082 doesn't automatically trigger an audit, but it does increase the chances of your return getting a closer look. However, that increased scrutiny is often limited to the specific items you've reported inconsistently, not your entire return. The important thing is to have solid documentation supporting your position. If you're right on the merits and can back up your treatment with records and tax law, an audit shouldn't be a major concern. Many tax professionals consider it better to file an 8082 than to report income or deductions incorrectly just to match an improper K-1. The penalty for failing to file an 8082 when required can be substantial ($50 per inconsistency), plus any additional penalties if the inconsistency results in understating your tax.
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