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I'd like to add one more important piece to this HSA discussion - even though you can't contribute to an HSA while on a PPO, you might want to look into a Flexible Spending Account (FSA) if your wife's employer offers one. FSAs also allow pre-tax contributions for medical expenses, though they typically have a use-it-or-lose-it policy at year end. Then when you do switch to the HDHP in 2025, you can start funding the HSA. Just remember you generally can't have both an FSA and HSA simultaneously unless the FSA is a "limited purpose" one that only covers dental and vision expenses.
I actually hadn't thought about the FSA option! Does it provide the same tax advantages as an HSA? And what happens to any FSA funds when we transition to the HDHP with an HSA in 2025?
FSAs do provide a similar tax advantage by allowing pre-tax contributions that reduce your AGI, similar to an HSA. However, they typically have much lower contribution limits (usually around $3,050 for 2023) compared to HSA limits ($7,750 for family coverage). Regarding your second question, FSA funds generally need to be used by the end of your plan year, though some employers offer either a grace period (usually 2.5 months) or a carryover option (usually $610 maximum). If you don't use the funds within these timeframes, you forfeit them - that's the big downside compared to HSAs. When you transition to an HDHP with HSA in 2025, you'll need to either spend down your FSA funds before the new plan year or see if your employer offers that limited purpose FSA I mentioned that can coexist with an HSA.
One thing to consider that nobody's mentioned - if your wife's employer offers an HSA-eligible plan NOW, you might be able to switch to it mid-year if you have a qualifying life event (like marriage, birth, loss of other coverage). You don't always have to wait for open enrollment. If you can switch to an HDHP sooner, you could start making prorated HSA contributions for the months you're eligible this year.
This is great advice! When I had my second child last year it counted as a qualifying life event and I was able to switch from a PPO to an HDHP mid-year. Started contributing to my HSA right away for the remaining months.
Just to add another perspective - I'm a dance mom with a 7-year-old who made around $26k last year from competitions and a few commercials. We definitely still claimed her as a dependent. The key thing we did was keep good records showing that her earnings went into a separate account that we rarely touched for her regular expenses. We continued paying for her housing, food, clothing, etc. from our own money, which made it super clear that we were providing her support. One thing to watch for: we did use some of her money for expenses directly related to her dancing (costumes, travel to competitions, etc.). Our tax preparer said this was fine and didn't count against the support calculation.
Thanks for sharing your experience! That's really helpful to hear from someone in a similar situation. Did you have to fill out any special forms to document the support calculation, or did you just keep your own records in case of an audit?
We didn't have to submit any special forms with our tax return specifically for the support calculation. Our tax preparer just had us keep good documentation (basically a spreadsheet showing our household expenses and what portion went to our daughter). The most important thing was making sure our daughter's tax return properly indicated she could be claimed as a dependent on someone else's return. That way the systems don't flag a conflict. Keep records of major expenses you pay for your daughter in case you ever get questioned, but in our experience, this was a pretty straightforward situation once we understood the support test isn't about income but about who's paying for living expenses.
Has anyone considered the kiddie tax implications here? While your child can still be your dependent regardless of income, earnings over a certain amount get taxed at the PARENT'S tax rate - not the child's rate. For 2025, I think the threshold is around $2,500 of unearned income.
The kiddie tax only applies to unearned income (interest, dividends, capital gains, etc.), not earned income from actual work. Since OP's child is earning money from modeling/commercial work, that's considered earned income and would be taxed at the child's own rate, not the parents' rate.
Don't forget to look into penalty abatement options! If this was your first time missing filing deadlines or if you had reasonable cause (major illness, natural disaster, etc.), you might qualify to have some penalties removed. This won't help with the base tax amount or interest, but penalties can be a significant portion of what you owe after all this time. You'll need to request First-Time Penalty Abatement or file for Reasonable Cause abatement. Either way, getting those penalties reduced could potentially save you thousands. Just make sure you file that 2021 return ASAP before requesting any abatement.
I had no idea about penalty abatement! Would that work even though it's been so long since the original due date? And do I need to have the return filed first before I can request this?
Yes, you can still request penalty abatement even after a significant delay. The IRS doesn't have a strict deadline for requesting abatement, though they're generally more receptive when you're actively trying to resolve the situation by filing your return and making payment arrangements. You absolutely need to file the return first before requesting any kind of penalty abatement. The IRS won't consider penalty relief on unfiled returns. Once your return is filed, you can request First-Time Penalty Abatement if you had a clean compliance history for the three years prior to 2021. If you had legitimate reasons for not filing (serious illness, natural disaster, etc.), you could alternatively request Reasonable Cause abatement with supporting documentation.
Just so you know how the numbers might work out - on $78k of tax debt from 2021, you're looking at: - 25% failure-to-file penalty: about $19,500 - Failure-to-pay penalty: roughly 0.5% per month, so about 15% by now: $11,700 - Interest on the unpaid amount AND on the penalties: probably another $15-20k So your $78k tax bill could now be around $125k total. Not trying to scare you more, just giving you a realistic picture. This is why everyone's saying to file ASAP and get on a payment plan or look into an Offer in Compromise!
Those calculations seem high. Doesn't the failure-to-pay penalty cap at 25% just like the failure-to-file penalty? I thought the combined penalties couldn't exceed 47.5% of the original tax.
In my experience, TurboTax is pretty comprehensive but it doesn't always ask the right questions for complex situations. Last year I switched to a CPA and he saved me about $3,800 compared to what TurboTax calculated. The biggest areas where I found savings: - Business expense deductions I didn't realize qualified - More advantageous treatment of some investment losses - Home office deduction I didn't know I was eligible for For your situation with S-corp income, a good tax pro might find some legitimate business expenses you could deduct. They also might have strategies around timing of income recognition or loss harvesting that could help reduce your tax bill.
How much did the CPA charge? I'm trying to figure out if the cost would be worth it compared to potential savings.
My CPA charged $450 for my return, which included W-2 income, investment income, and some small business income from consulting. Given that he saved me $3,800, it was definitely worth it! Most CPAs I researched charged between $350-700 for returns with complexity similar to yours. The key is finding someone who specializes in the areas relevant to your situation - in your case, someone experienced with S-corporations and investment income.
One thing to consider is that TurboTax isn't always the best at optimizing S-corporation income. I found that out the hard way last year.
Ravi Kapoor
Just so you know, if your income was only $2,800 for the year, you're almost certainly not required to file. But as others have mentioned, you might be leaving money on the table by not filing. One thing nobody has mentioned: if you're expecting to receive disability backpay, be aware that could create a tax situation in the year you receive it. If you get approved and receive a large lump sum, you might want to look into something called "lump sum election" which can help reduce the tax impact by allocating the income to previous years. Also, regarding the survey sites not sending 1099s - that's normal if each one paid you less than $600. But you're still required to report that income. The good news is you can also deduct any expenses related to earning that income, like a portion of your internet bill.
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Amina Toure
ā¢Thanks, that's really helpful about the lump sum election. I hadn't even thought about the tax implications of getting disability backpay. Do you know if I would need to file amended returns for the previous years in that case, or is it handled differently?
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Ravi Kapoor
ā¢You don't need to file amended returns for the previous years with a lump sum election. Instead, when you file your taxes for the year you receive the backpay, there's a special calculation that's done on that year's return. The SSA will send you a letter (SSA-1099) showing how much of your payment applies to each previous year. Your tax preparer (or tax software) can then use this information to calculate your tax as if the income had been received in those earlier years, potentially putting you in a lower tax bracket for the lump sum. It's a bit complex, but any tax professional familiar with disability claims should know how to handle it. And definitely keep all documentation about your medical expenses, as some of those might be deductible as well.
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Freya Nielsen
I don't mean to be that person, but I think you should know that the IRS can come after you years later if you don't file. My cousin didn't file for 3 years when he was making very little money, and they eventually sent him notices with penalties and interest. Even if you don't owe anything now, I personally wouldn't risk it. Look into the free filing options others have mentioned. The VITA program helped my grandmother last year and they were actually very professional. They're often accounting students or retired CPAs volunteering their time. Also, check if your state has any specific low-income credits you might qualify for. Some states have additional credits beyond the federal ones that are specifically for people in situations like yours.
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Omar Mahmoud
ā¢I second the VITA suggestion. I used them when I was in college and they were great. Just make sure to bring all your documentation - they'll want to see your ID and social security card, plus any income info you have (even if it's just printouts from the survey sites showing your earnings).
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