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Pedro Sawyer

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My accountant told me that with rental properties, you need to show intent to make a profit. If you only had one friend stay as a favor, the IRS might consider it a hobby rather than a business, which means different tax rules. Make sure you document all your efforts to market the property as a rental, even if you weren't successful in getting many tenants yet. For the depreciation of furniture/appliances, my understanding is that depreciation must begin when you place the items "in service" - you don't get to choose when to start it. But "in service" means when the property is available for rent, not necessarily when you purchase the items.

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This hobby vs business distinction is worrying me now. I definitely intend to make a profit, but with only $360 in income for 2024 and thousands in expenses, will the IRS see this as a legitimate business? We had the property listed on several rental sites but just had bad timing with the market in our area.

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Pedro Sawyer

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Don't worry too much - the IRS looks at your intent and efforts, not just your initial results. Save copies of your rental listings, any advertising you did, and documentation of your efforts to rent the property. This shows you were genuinely trying to operate as a business. The IRS generally allows new businesses some time to become profitable. They use a guideline that if you show a profit in 3 out of 5 consecutive years, they'll presume you have a profit motive. Your first year being mostly preparation is very common in real estate. Just make sure you keep excellent records of all expenses and your efforts to rent the property. This documentation will be crucial if you're ever questioned about your business intent.

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Mae Bennett

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Has anyone used Schedule E for a property that was only partially rented during the year? I'm confused about how to allocate expenses between personal and rental use when the property was under renovation for most of the year.

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I had a similar situation last year. You need to allocate expenses based on both time and usage. For example, if your property was available for rent for 3 months out of the year, you'd allocate 25% of annual expenses like insurance, property taxes, etc. to the rental activity. Then within those 3 months, if it was only actually rented for 10 days, you need to keep personal use vs. rental use straight too. Publication 527 has worksheets for this. It gets complicated fast!

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Liv Park

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From personal experience, I always file early and it works great BUT only if you're 100% sure you have all your documents. My sister filed early last year and then got an unexpected 1099 two weeks later. The amended return was a nightmare and her refund was delayed by months. Just make sure you've accounted for everything!

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JaylinCharles

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That's exactly what I'm worried about! How do you know for sure you've got everything? I usually get a W-2 from my main job and a 1098-T for my kid's college, but sometimes random 1099s show up.

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Liv Park

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I keep a checklist of all expected documents from previous years and mark them off as they arrive. I also wait until at least February 1st even though some forms come earlier - this gives stragglers time to arrive. For unexpected 1099s, I log into any accounts where I might have earned interest or made transactions (banks, investment accounts, payment apps like PayPal or Venmo if you use them for business) and check if they're issuing forms. Most places now let you see if a tax form is being generated before they actually send it.

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Personal opinion - file whenever you're ready but don't rush it and make mistakes. I used FreeTaxUSA last year after using TurboTax for years and was really happy. Handled my EIC perfectly and was totally free for federal (small fee for state). Saved me $120 compared to TurboTax and got the same refund amount!

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Ryder Greene

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I second FreeTaxUSA! Used it for the first time last year and it was super straightforward. The interview process walks you through everything, and they have good support articles if you get confused.

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Zoe Wang

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4 My payroll dept told me that if you make ANY changes or cross anything out, you should initial next to it. That makes it clear the change was intentional and not made by someone else after you submitted it.

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Zoe Wang

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9 That's a good point about initialing changes. Does this apply to all tax forms or just the W4? I sometimes make small corrections on other forms too.

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Zoe Wang

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4 Initialing changes is good practice for all tax forms, not just the W4. It's especially important for any form where you're providing information under penalty of perjury. For the W4 specifically, it's less critical since it's an internal form between you and your employer, but it's still a good habit. For forms that go directly to the IRS like your 1040, initialing changes can help prevent questions about who made the modifications.

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Zoe Wang

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2 Since we're talking about W4 forms, has anyone used the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator online? I found it really helpful for figuring out exactly what to put on each line.

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Zoe Wang

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5 I tried using it but found it confusing. It asked for too much detailed information that I didn't have on hand when filling out my W4.

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Paolo Romano

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Make sure you're tracking different state nexus requirements! Even though Florida and Texas don't have state income tax, having a physical presence in Georgia might create nexus there which could trigger other filing obligations. I learned this the hard way after working in another state temporarily.

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Sofia Rodriguez

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Thanks for bringing that up! Do you know if just working from a temporary apartment in Georgia would definitely create nexus? Or does it depend on what kinds of activities I'm doing there? I won't be meeting clients or making sales there - just doing the same online work I'd be doing from Texas.

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Paolo Romano

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It really depends on Georgia's specific rules, but physical presence often creates nexus regardless of what specific activities you're doing. Being physically present and working from Georgia for 6 months would likely trigger nexus in most states. However, Georgia may have thresholds based on income earned while in the state or number of days present. Some states have COVID-related exceptions that might still apply for remote workers, but these are being phased out in many places. I'd recommend checking with Georgia's Department of Revenue directly or having a tax professional review Georgia's specific nexus requirements for your situation.

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Amina Diop

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Don't forget about setting up a reasonable salary for yourself as an S-corp owner! The IRS looks closely at this. I made the mistake of setting my salary too low and got flagged for audit. Make sure your compensation is comparable to what you'd pay someone else to do your job.

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Oliver Schmidt

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What percentage of your business income did you set as salary? I've heard everything from 30% to 60% being "reasonable" depending on the industry.

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Michael Green

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I just went through something similar with my wife who has ownership in a Spanish cultural center. One important thing to consider that nobody mentioned is whether your fiancΓ©e's non-profit might qualify as a Passive Foreign Investment Company (PFIC). Even though it's a non-profit, if it generates investment income above certain thresholds relative to its overall income, it could potentially be classified as a PFIC, which has its own reporting requirements on Form 8621. In our case, we ended up needing to file Form 8865 instead of Form 5471 because of how the entity was structured as a partnership rather than a corporation under US tax definitions, despite being a non-profit association under Spanish law. Might be worth checking the entity's legal classification to be sure.

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Ryan Kim

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Thank you for bringing this up! I hadn't even considered the PFIC angle. Do you know if educational non-profits typically generate enough investment income to trigger PFIC status? This organization mainly receives donations and some government grants. Also, did you determine the partnership classification yourself or did you need professional help? I'm wondering if Mexican non-profits might be viewed differently than Spanish ones.

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Michael Green

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Educational non-profits typically don't generate enough investment income to trigger PFIC status unless they have a large endowment that's actively invested. If they're primarily operating on donations and government grants for educational activities, it's unlikely to be classified as a PFIC. The PFIC test generally requires that 75% or more of the entity's income is passive (investment) income, or 50% of assets are held for the production of passive income. We definitely needed professional help to determine the correct classification. The key was looking at the organizational documents and how the entity operates rather than what it's called locally. We provided our tax professional with the Spanish equivalent of articles of incorporation and bylaws, which showed it operated more like a partnership with pass-through characteristics rather than a corporation. Mexican entity classification might differ, so I'd recommend either consulting with a tax professional familiar with Mexico-US tax matters or at minimum reviewing the actual organizational documents with that perspective in mind.

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Mateo Silva

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Has anyone used one of those expat tax preparation services for this kind of situation? I'm in a similar boat with my husband having partial ownership in a charity in Thailand, and I'm not sure if regular CPAs know all these foreign reporting rules. Also curious what kind of penalties we're looking at if we mess this up accidentally? That's what scares me the most!

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Victoria Jones

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I used Greenback Expat Tax Services last year for a somewhat similar situation with interests in a Japanese non-profit. They weren't cheap (around $600 for my returns) but they knew exactly which forms were needed. For the penalties - they can be HARSH. Form 5471 penalties start at $10,000 per form per year if required but not filed. FBAR penalties are even worse. Don't mess around with this stuff!

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Victoria Jones

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Everything was handled remotely - I uploaded documents to their secure portal and had two video calls (initial consultation and then a review of the prepared returns). They were in a completely different time zone but made it work. They definitely provided advice for future years, which was actually the most valuable part. They suggested some changes to how I documented my involvement with the Japanese entity and recommended keeping certain records that would make future filings simpler. They also explained how getting married would affect my reporting requirements, which might be relevant to the original poster too. For what it's worth, they said most regular CPAs miss crucial details on these foreign filings because they rarely deal with them.

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