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This thread has been incredibly educational! As a newcomer to this community, I'm amazed by how much practical knowledge everyone has shared about DCNs. I had literally never heard of this concept before reading through all these responses. What really strikes me is how this seems to be one of those "hidden" aspects of tax filing that becomes crucial in specific situations but isn't commonly discussed. The analogy someone made about it being like your tax return's fingerprint really helped me understand its purpose. I just went through my own tax software (I use FreeTaxUSA) and managed to locate my DCN from this year's filing. It was buried in the confirmation details, but now I know exactly where to look! I'm definitely implementing some of the organization strategies mentioned here - the screenshot idea and keeping a dedicated tax reference document both seem like game-changers. Thanks to @Javier Morales for asking this question that clearly resonated with so many of us! And huge thanks to everyone who shared their real-world experiences and practical tips. This is exactly the kind of insider knowledge that makes navigating taxes feel less intimidating. Looking forward to being better prepared for any future IRS interactions! š
@Rosie Harper are u there? Isnthe 16 digit one the same thing
This thread has been incredibly helpful! As someone who works in tax preparation software support, I see this confusion about DCNs all the time. You're definitely not alone in not knowing about this number! The DCN is essentially your tax return's unique identifier in the IRS system - think of it like a tracking number for a package, but for your entire tax return. While you don't need it for everyday things like checking refund status, it becomes invaluable when you need to speak with an IRS representative about specific issues. Since you mentioned using TaxAct, here's the easiest way to find your 2023 DCN: 1. Log into your TaxAct account 2. Navigate to "My Returns" or "Tax Home" 3. Select your 2023 tax year 4. Look for "Filing Details" or "Submission Summary" 5. The DCN should be listed there, usually labeled as "Declaration Control Number" or just "Control Number" Pro tip: Once you find it, save it in a secure note or document along with your filing date and confirmation number. I always recommend clients treat their DCN like they would any other important financial reference number - you hope you never need it, but when you do, you'll be so glad to have it readily available! The good news is that if you ever can't locate it, any future IRS correspondence will include your DCN, so don't stress too much about tracking down old ones unless you're actively dealing with an issue.
@Marina Hendrix is the dcn number the same as confirmation number ? I use freetax USA and my confirmation number is 16 digits long
I've been through a similar situation with inherited rental property and large depreciation deductions. One important point that hasn't been fully addressed is the timing of when you can start taking depreciation on inherited property. You can begin depreciating the property when it's placed in service as a rental, not necessarily from the date of inheritance. If you inherited the property in late 2023 but didn't start renting it out until 2024, your depreciation would begin in 2024. Also, make sure you're using the correct depreciation method - residential rental property is typically depreciated over 27.5 years using straight-line depreciation. Given your stepped-up basis of $1.6M, you're looking at substantial annual depreciation (potentially $50K+ per year depending on the land/building allocation). The active participation exception allowing up to $25,000 in losses against other income is definitely your best route, but consider consulting with a tax professional who specializes in rental property taxation to ensure you're maximizing your deductions while staying compliant with all the passive activity rules.
This is really valuable information about the timing aspect! I hadn't considered that the depreciation clock doesn't start ticking until the property is actually placed in service as a rental. In my case, I inherited the property in late 2023 but it took me a few months to get it ready for tenants and find the first renter, so I didn't start collecting rent until early 2024. Does this mean I can only claim depreciation starting from when I got my first tenant, or from when the property was ready and available for rent? Also, with such a large depreciation amount relative to rental income, I'm wondering if there are any red flags I should be aware of that might trigger an IRS audit. Having proper documentation seems crucial, but are there any other best practices for staying compliant when your depreciation significantly exceeds rental income?
Great question about the "placed in service" timing! The property is considered placed in service when it's available and ready for rent, not necessarily when you get your first tenant. So if you had the property ready and advertised for rent in early 2024, that's when depreciation would begin, even if it took a few weeks to find a tenant. Regarding audit red flags with large depreciation relative to rental income - this is actually quite common with inherited properties due to stepped-up basis, so it's not automatically suspicious. The key things that help avoid issues: (1) have a solid appraisal supporting your basis and land/building allocation, (2) keep detailed records of all rental activities to support active participation, (3) make sure your rental income and expenses are reasonable and well-documented, and (4) consider getting professional help with the depreciation calculation. The IRS is more concerned with inflated basis or improper depreciation methods than with legitimate large depreciation amounts from inherited property. Your situation is actually textbook for why stepped-up basis exists - to reflect current fair market value rather than the original owner's historical cost.
For anyone dealing with inherited rental property and passive loss rules, I'd highly recommend getting familiar with Form 8582 (Passive Activity Loss Limitations) - this is where you'll actually report your rental losses and apply the active participation exception. The form can be tricky, especially when you're dealing with large depreciation amounts from stepped-up basis property. A few additional considerations that might help: if you're married filing jointly, the $25,000 active participation allowance applies to your combined income, not per spouse. Also, if you have multiple rental properties, the active participation rules apply differently - you need to actively participate in each property to use losses from that specific property. One strategy some people overlook is the timing of other income. If you have control over when you realize capital gains (like selling stocks), you might consider timing those gains strategically to stay below the MAGI thresholds for the passive loss exceptions. Just make sure any timing strategies make sense from an overall financial planning perspective, not just taxes. The documentation everyone's mentioned is crucial - I keep a simple spreadsheet tracking time spent on rental activities, decisions made, and communications with tenants/contractors. Takes just a few minutes each month but provides great audit protection.
This is extremely helpful information about Form 8582 and the documentation requirements! I'm just getting started with rental property taxation and feeling overwhelmed by all the rules and forms involved. One question about the timing strategy you mentioned - if I'm already expecting significant capital gains this year from some stock sales I had planned, would it make sense to defer those sales to next year to stay below the MAGI threshold? Or are there other considerations I should factor in beyond just the passive loss rules? Also, your point about the spreadsheet for tracking rental activities is great advice. Do you have any specific categories or types of activities that are most important to document for proving active participation? I want to make sure I'm capturing the right information from the start rather than trying to reconstruct it later.
I've been dealing with payroll and tax issues for years as a small business owner, and I can confirm that "TOTAL" in Box 20 is becoming more common with automated payroll systems. Here's what I'd recommend: 1. Don't panic - this is likely just a formatting issue, not a calculation error 2. Check your final December pay stub to see the locality breakdown 3. Verify that the sum of individual locality taxes on your pay stub matches Box 19 on your W-2 4. Keep detailed records of your pay stubs showing the specific localities If you moved mid-year like you mentioned, you'll probably need to file local tax returns for both cities. The good news is that most tax software can handle this - you just need to manually split the amounts based on your pay stub information. One thing to watch out for: some localities have different filing requirements or deadlines, so make sure you research the specific rules for both cities where you had taxes withheld. Don't let your HR department's slow response delay your filing if you're close to the deadline.
This is really helpful advice, especially the point about different filing requirements for each locality! I hadn't even thought about that. Do you know if there's an easy way to look up the specific deadlines and requirements for each city, or do I need to dig through each city's tax department website individually? I'm worried I might miss something important since I'm already cutting it close on the federal deadline.
Most cities have their tax information on their official websites, but you're right that it can be time-consuming to hunt through each one individually. A few shortcuts that might help: 1. Try searching "[City Name] local income tax deadline" - this usually brings up the key info quickly 2. Many cities follow the same April 15th deadline as federal taxes, but some have different dates (like April 30th or May 15th) 3. If you're really pressed for time, you can often call the city tax departments directly - they're usually pretty quick to answer basic deadline questions over the phone Since you mentioned you're cutting it close, I'd prioritize getting your federal return filed on time first. Most localities are more flexible with late fees on small amounts than the IRS is. But definitely don't ignore them completely - just tackle them in order of priority if you're running out of time.
I work in tax preparation and see this "TOTAL" issue frequently during tax season. What's happening is your payroll system is consolidating multiple locality entries instead of listing them separately on the W-2. This is completely normal when you've had taxes withheld for more than one jurisdiction. Since you moved mid-year, you likely had local taxes withheld for both your old and new cities. The payroll system just summed them up and put "TOTAL" rather than trying to fit multiple city names in that small box. Here's what you need to do: 1. Get your final December pay stub - it should show the breakdown by locality 2. Verify the individual amounts add up to what's in Box 19 of your W-2 3. You'll need to file local tax returns for both cities where you had withholding 4. Keep copies of those pay stubs with your tax records Don't wait for HR if you're close to the deadline. This is a reporting format issue, not a calculation error. You can file confidently using the pay stub details to allocate the amounts correctly between the two localities.
This is exactly what I needed to hear! I was getting really anxious about the "TOTAL" thing, but your explanation makes perfect sense. I just pulled up my December pay stub online and you're absolutely right - it shows separate line items for both cities with amounts that add up to my W-2 Box 19. I feel so much better knowing this is just a formatting quirk and not an actual error. I'm going to go ahead and file using the pay stub breakdown rather than waiting around for HR to maybe get back to me next week. Thanks for the clear step-by-step guidance - exactly what a tax newbie like me needed!
From my experience going through this exact process last year, it took about 4-5 months total from start to finish. Here's roughly how it broke down: - 2-3 weeks to gather all documents and request IRS transcripts for missing forms - 1-2 weeks to actually prepare and file the returns (I did 3 years worth) - 12-16 weeks for the IRS to process and send refunds (as @Maxwell St. Laurent mentioned, prior year returns take much longer) The key is getting organized upfront and not rushing through the document gathering phase. I made the mistake of filing my first return before I had all my transcripts back from the IRS, and ended up having to file an amended return later when I discovered additional income I had missed. One tip that saved me time - I created a simple spreadsheet tracking which documents I had for each year and what was still missing. It helped me stay organized when dealing with multiple tax years and made sure I didn't file incomplete returns. The wait for refunds was definitely the most frustrating part, but seeing those direct deposits hit my account after months of work made it all worthwhile. Don't get discouraged by the timeline - just start the process and let it work through the system!
This timeline is really helpful @Luis Johnson! 4-5 months seems very reasonable given everything involved. I love the spreadsheet idea for tracking documents across multiple years - that's exactly the kind of organizational system I need to keep myself from getting confused about what I have versus what I'm still missing. Your point about not rushing the document gathering phase really hits home. I can totally see myself getting eager to file as soon as I find some old W-2s, but it sounds like taking the time to get those IRS transcripts first could save a lot of headaches down the road. Better to do it right the first time than have to deal with amended returns later. Thanks for sharing the realistic timeline expectations! Sometimes these processes feel like they should be faster in our instant-gratification world, but tax stuff just takes time to work through the system properly.
Just want to echo what everyone else has said about the 3-year rule - it's absolutely critical to understand those deadlines! I learned this the hard way when I discovered some old 1099s from 2018 and got excited thinking I could claim a refund, only to find out I was already past the statute of limitations. One thing I'd add that might be helpful - if you're unsure about whether you even had a filing requirement for some of those years, the IRS has income thresholds that determine if you needed to file. For example, if you were single and under 65, you only needed to file if your gross income was above certain amounts (which change each year). So even if you found old W-2s, you might not have been required to file returns for those years if your income was below the threshold. This could save you some time and effort if you're looking at years where your income was really low. The IRS website has historical filing requirement charts that show the income thresholds for each tax year going back several years. Good luck getting those refunds @Edison Estevez - sounds like you've got a solid plan now thanks to all the great advice in this thread!
This is such a good point about the filing requirement thresholds @Mary Bates! I hadn't even considered that some of those years might not have required filing in the first place. That could definitely save a lot of unnecessary work. I'm curious though - even if you weren't required to file because your income was below the threshold, can you still file to claim a refund if you had taxes withheld? Like if you made $8,000 that year but had $1,200 withheld from your paychecks, could you still file to get that money back even though you weren't technically required to file? Thanks for mentioning the historical filing requirement charts - I'll definitely check those out before I start diving into all my old paperwork. Could save me from chasing down documents for years that don't even matter!
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This is a major red flag! Higher One banks are frequently used in tax refund fraud schemes. Here's what you need to do immediately: 1) Call Wells Fargo fraud department and ask them to explain why this account appeared, 2) Log into your IRS account online and check if your direct deposit info has been changed, 3) Call the IRS Identity Protection Unit at 800-908-4490. Don't wait - these scammers work fast once they've compromised your info. Also freeze your credit reports just to be safe!
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Ravi Choudhury
ā¢This is super helpful advice! @bf421e3da8c5 thank you for the step-by-step breakdown. I'm new to dealing with tax stuff and this is honestly terrifying. Quick question - when you say "freeze your credit reports" do you mean all three bureaus? And is there a fee for that?
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