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Has anyone had issues with the IRS withholding calculator when you have multiple jobs throughout the year? I started a new job in March, and I'm not sure how to account for the W-2 income from my previous employer in the calculator.
When I was in that situation, I entered the income and withholding from my previous job in the "already withheld" section. There should be fields for income already earned and tax already withheld this year. Then for your current job, you enter the expected income for the remainder of the year.
I found that the IRS withholding calculator isn't great at handling irregular income. My spouse's income varies a lot month to month (sales commissions) and we have rental income too. We ended up just estimating our total annual income, adding about 10% as a buffer, and then calculating what our quarterly estimated tax payments should be to cover the difference that regular withholding won't catch.
Have you tried using tax software to do a mid-year projection instead? I use TurboTax and just input our estimated full-year numbers around June to see if we're on track. It seems more accurate than the IRS calculator for complex situations.
My husband and I were in exactly your situation last year. We took a distribution from his 403b in 2020, then he changed jobs in 2021. His former employer's plan (also Fidelity) wouldn't accept the repayment since he was no longer an employee. We ended up opening a traditional IRA with Vanguard and made the repayment there. When we did this, we made sure to tell Vanguard it was specifically a CARES Act repayment, not just a regular contribution. They had a special form for this. Then we filed amended returns for 2020 and 2021 using Form 1040-X along with revised Forms 8915-E. It took about 6 months to get our refunds, but everything went through smoothly.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience! That's really helpful to know Fidelity might not accept the repayment. Did Vanguard have any special requirements for opening the IRA specifically for a CARES Act repayment? And did you have to provide any special documentation with your amended returns?
Vanguard didn't have any special requirements for opening the IRA itself - it was a standard traditional IRA application. But when we made the actual deposit, we had to specifically tell them it was a CARES Act repayment and complete their "Rollover/Direct Rollover Certification Form" where we indicated it was a COVID-related distribution repayment. For the amended returns, we included a brief explanation letter stating we were repaying a CARES Act distribution and attached documentation showing both the original distribution and the repayment. We specifically referenced IRS Notice 2020-50 which covers the repayment provisions. We also included copies of our original returns with the amendments so the IRS could easily see the changes.
WATCH OUT with these repayments! I did something similar and didn't realize there were SPECIFIC CODES that needed to be used when repaying. My repayment got coded as a regular contribution instead of a rollover/CARES repayment, and it caused a huge headache with both the IRS and my tax filing. Make sure whatever financial institution you use for the repayment understands it's specifically a CARES Act repayment. Get written confirmation of how they coded it. Also, keep ALL your documentation showing the original distribution and the repayment for at least 7 years - I got audited on mine and was glad I had everything.
This is spot on advice. I work at a financial institution (not Fidelity) and we see this issue all the time. The proper coding is critical. Make sure they use code "G" for a coronavirus-related distribution repayment on any paperwork. Without the right code, the IRS computers won't recognize it as a CARES Act repayment.
2 Something important nobody mentioned yet - if you're living in the house on the property, you need to be careful about how you're allocating expenses. The portion related to your personal use of the home generally isn't deductible as a business expense. You might need to separate the business portion (land, cattle, outbuildings) from the personal residence portion. Also, if you're paying rent to the LLC, that could create income for the partnership, which would offset some losses. If you're not paying rent, there might be other tax implications to consider.
20 Good point about the house allocation. How would you recommend splitting this up on tax forms? Should the house be completely separate from the business assets?
2 I'd recommend separating the house value from the business assets when determining what portion of expenses (like mortgage interest and property taxes) are deductible business expenses. One approach is to determine the house's value as a percentage of the total property value, then allocate that percentage as personal use. The house doesn't need to be completely separate - the LLC can still own the entire property. You just need to properly allocate expenses between business and personal use. If you're not paying market-rate rent to the LLC for your personal use, there could be imputed income or other tax consequences to consider, so that's something to discuss with a tax professional familiar with your specific situation.
4 Has anyone dealt with cattle specifically? I'm curious if this qualifies as farming activity because there are special tax rules for farmers. Might affect how losses can be used.
19 Yes, cattle operations typically qualify as farming activities under IRS rules. This means you might be eligible for things like farm income averaging, which can help reduce your tax burden in profitable years. Even in loss years, farm activities have some specific rules that can be advantageous.
Another option that worked for me was to use the IRS Withholding Calculator online. I'm also Head of Household with multiple W-2s throughout the year. The calculator asks detailed questions about all your jobs and gives you exact instructions for filling out your W-4s. The most important thing is that you need to redo this calculation whenever you change jobs. I set a calendar reminder to check my withholding quarterly, and it's helped me avoid surprises at tax time.
Does this calculator work well for people with both W-2 and 1099 income? I do some contract work where taxes aren't withheld at all.
Yes, the IRS Withholding Calculator handles both W-2 and 1099 income. For your 1099 contract work, it will help determine if you need to make estimated quarterly tax payments or if you can increase withholding from your W-2 jobs to cover the taxes on your contract income. It asks for detailed information about all income sources, which makes its recommendations much more accurate for complex situations like yours with mixed income types. Just be sure to update your information whenever your income situation changes throughout the year.
Don't feel bad, I've been a tax preparer for 10 years and still see this issue constantly! The 2020 revised W-4 form eliminated the allowances system, which actually makes this easier to fix now. On your new W-4s, check the box in Step 2(c) for multiple jobs. Or for more accuracy, use the worksheet in the instructions or the online IRS Withholding Estimator. With Head of Household status and 2 kids, also complete Step 3 for the Child Tax Credit ($4,000 total for two kids). Remember that how you fill out your W-4 doesn't affect how you file your taxes - it only affects withholding. You'll still file as Head of Household with two dependents regardless of what you put on your W-4.
This is so helpful! So even if I change jobs mid-year, I should still check the multiple jobs box on the new employer's W-4, right? Does this mean I'll have less takehome pay each paycheck?
Yes, even if you change jobs mid-year, you should still check the multiple jobs box on your new employer's W-4 if you've had or expect to have other jobs during the same calendar year. And you're right - checking that box will result in more tax being withheld from each paycheck, which means your take-home pay will be lower. But this is actually a good thing because it means you're less likely to owe money when you file your taxes. Think of it as paying the correct amount gradually throughout the year instead of getting hit with a big bill at tax time.
Giovanni Marino
One thing to consider that nobody's mentioned yet - if you're a single-member LLC taxed as a disregarded entity, these education expenses would go on your Schedule C. But if you've elected to be taxed as an S-Corp, the rules get more complicated with reasonable compensation issues. Might be worth consulting a tax pro about the specific structure.
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Fatima Al-Sayed
ā¢Can you explain what you mean about S-Corps and "reasonable compensation issues"? My construction business is an LLC but I elected S-Corp status for tax purposes and now I'm confused about how this would work.
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Giovanni Marino
ā¢With an S-Corp, you need to pay yourself a reasonable salary before taking distributions. If the LLC pays for your education, it could be considered either a business expense or potentially a fringe benefit to you as an employee-owner. If it's clearly related to your current business functions and helps you perform your job better, it can be treated as a normal business expense. However, if the education would qualify you for a new trade or significantly different position, the IRS might view it as a taxable fringe benefit to you personally, which complicates things from a tax perspective.
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Dylan Hughes
Watch out for something called the "no new trade or business" rule. If your degree would qualify you for a new profession, the IRS might deny the deduction even if it also helps your current business. Accounting degree for construction could be ok since ur already doing bookkeeping etc, but if you got like a law degree that would be different.
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NightOwl42
ā¢Is this still true? I thought they changed some of these rules with the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act in 2017? My accountant told me the rules got more flexible.
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