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Just to add another perspective - the 'c' markings sometimes appear on tax transcripts as well, not just on physical documents. They typically show up in the IRS internal systems as verification codes. If you order your tax transcript online through the IRS website, you might see these marks in the digital version too. If you're updating previous returns for 2025 filing season, make sure you're using Form 1040-X for amendments and reference your original tax year. Those 'c' marks won't affect your amendment process at all.
Do we need to request transcripts before filing amendments? I assumed I just need my original return copy. Also, how far back can you amend returns? I might have similar issues with my 2021 taxes.
You don't absolutely need transcripts before filing amendments, but they're extremely helpful to ensure you have the exact information the IRS has on file. Having your own copy of your return is good, but the transcript shows how the IRS actually processed it, which sometimes differs from what you submitted. For amended returns, you generally have 3 years from the original filing date or 2 years from when you paid the tax, whichever is later. So for 2021 taxes (typically filed in 2022), you should still be within the amendment window for the 2025 filing season. I'd recommend grabbing the transcript though - it makes the amendment process much smoother when you can see the IRS's internal codes and processing marks.
I just wanted to share that my tax preparer always marks items with 'c' when she's checked them during preparation - it's a common notation system among tax professionals too, not just the IRS. Might be why you're seeing those marks. Is it possible the document is from your preparer and not directly from the IRS?
That's a good point about tax preparers! My accountant uses checkmarks and little symbols all over my returns before submitting. I always thought it looked so messy but I guess that's their system.
Thanks for bringing this up! I double-checked, and you're right - the documents are actually from my tax preparer's office, not directly from the IRS. They sent me copies of what they submitted. That makes so much more sense why there are these little marks all over them. I feel kinda silly now for worrying, but at least I understand what I'm looking at. Guess my preparer was just marking things they verified before submitting. Learning something new about taxes every day!
I had this exact situation last year. Here's what happened: my 401k administrator returned excess contributions with code E, and then the IRS computer system automatically flagged it as taxable because many code E distributions ARE partially taxable (if there were earnings on the excess contributions). The key is, like others mentioned, that your Box 1 and Box 5 are identical, proving these were 100% after-tax contributions with no earnings. Don't just pay the extra tax - this is worth fighting!
Thanks for sharing your experience! Did you end up having to file an amended return, or were you able to get it resolved by just responding to the IRS notice?
I didn't need to file an amended return. I just responded to the IRS notice with a detailed explanation and a copy of my 1099-R. I highlighted Box 1 and Box 5 showing the identical amounts and explained these were after-tax contributions being returned. The IRS accepted my explanation and canceled the proposed adjustment about 6 weeks later. They sent a letter confirming no additional tax was due. Just make sure to respond within the deadline given on the notice, and keep copies of everything you send them.
Has anyone had success resolving this by calling the phone number on the IRS notice rather than writing? My dad has the same issue with his 401k distribution but he's not good with written explanations.
I called about a similar issue last year. If you can actually reach someone (big if), they can be helpful. I got through after 3 attempts and about 90 minutes on hold. The agent was able to see that my 1099-R boxes matched and noted my account that no additional tax was due. Still got a confirmation letter about a month later.
Have you checked your IRS transcript online? You can request it at irs.gov and it shows all activities on your account including stimulus payments, refunds issued, etc. Might give you some clues about what's happening with your account.
Thanks for the suggestion. I tried accessing my transcript online but because I've been overseas so long, the verification system won't work for me (it needs a US phone number I've had for more than 2 years, which I don't have since moving back). I requested a mailed transcript but haven't received it yet. Seems like everything with the IRS requires workarounds when you've been an expat.
That's a common issue for expats! For the phone verification problem, you might want to use a family member's phone number temporarily if possible. Another option is to request your transcript by filing Form 4506-T instead of using the online system. For recently returned expats, sometimes the local Taxpayer Advocate Service can help navigate these authentication issues. They're separate from the regular IRS customer service and can sometimes cut through red tape when standard procedures don't work for your situation.
Did you use direct deposit for your tax refund when you filed the streamlined returns? I had issues with my stimulus because I used paper check for my refund, but my friend who used direct deposit got her stimulus automatically despite living abroad.
This is accurate - the payment method makes a huge difference. I work at a tax prep office and we've seen that international filers who used direct deposit had about 80% success rate getting stimulus automatically, while paper check people had endless problems.
Have they looked into the IRS Fresh Start Program? My brother had a significant tax debt (about $85k) after his construction business failed, and he was able to get substantial relief through this program. The Fresh Start Program has several components that might help your parents: - Increased dollar threshold for filing tax liens - Easier access to Installment Agreements - More flexible Offer in Compromise terms - Tax lien withdrawals after payment arrangements The key is providing thorough documentation of their financial situation, medical expenses, and limited ability to pay. My brother was ultimately able to settle his $85k debt for about $32k through an Offer in Compromise.
The Fresh Start Program sounds promising but remember it's not a specific program you apply for directly - it's a collection of IRS initiatives with different eligibility requirements. A $200k debt might be harder to settle than an $85k one. Still worth exploring though.
Don't forget about potential state-level tax relief programs! When I was dealing with federal and state tax issues after a business failure, I found that my state had hardship provisions that were actually more generous than the IRS options. Depending on what state your parents live in, they might qualify for: - State tax forgiveness programs - Hardship status at the state level - Special provisions for farmers/agricultural businesses - Senior tax relief programs (if they're close to retirement age) Also, check if your state has a Taxpayer Advocate Service similar to the federal one. These advocates can sometimes help navigate both systems simultaneously and coordinate relief efforts.
Yuki Yamamoto
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet - make sure you're also filing an FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) if the total of all your foreign accounts was over $10,000 at any point during the year! That's separate from your tax return and has a different deadline.
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Carmen Ortiz
ā¢This is so important! I got hit with a huge penalty for not filing FBAR even though I reported all my income correctly. The FBAR deadline is actually April 15 now, same as taxes, but with an automatic extension to October.
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Andre Rousseau
Just a quick note about physical presence test - if you're trying to qualify for the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion, you need to be physically present in foreign countries for at least 330 days in a 12-month period. Some digital nomads mess this up by spending too much time back in the US. Keep good records of your entry/exit dates!
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