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LilMama23

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This exact thing happened to my boyfriend last year! His company classified him as 1099 even though he clearly should've been W2 (set schedule, company equipment, etc). The Form 8919 calculation was WAY off. The issue might be how your tax software is handling the Self-Employment tax adjustment. When you file Form 8919, you're telling the IRS you should only be responsible for the employee portion of FICA taxes, but some tax software doesn't properly remove the employer portion from calculations. Try looking at the detailed tax calculation in your software - check if it's still including a self-employment tax line even though you filed Form 8919. If it is, that's your problem right there!

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Sasha Ivanov

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I think you're onto something! I just checked the detailed calculations and it does show a self-employment tax amount even though I filed the 8919. Is there any way to fix this in the software or do I need to file a paper return?

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LilMama23

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Unfortunately most tax software doesn't handle this situation perfectly. You have a few options: You can try entering the income as W2 with zero withholding for now, and then attach an explanation letter with your return explaining the misclassification and your pending SS8. Many people do this since the end result is usually more accurate. Alternatively, you can file a paper return with the correct forms and calculations, which gives you more control but is obviously more work. If you go this route, include a clear explanation letter. Either way, keep detailed records of everything. Once your SS8 determination comes through (which can take 6+ months), you'll likely need to file an amended return anyway, especially if the IRS rules in your favor.

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Has anyone actually received an SS8 determination recently? I filed mine almost 8 months ago and haven't heard ANYTHING.

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I filed in Feb last year and got my determination in December - so like 10 months. They ruled in my favor and then I had to file an amended return. The company had to pay their share of the taxes, and I got a nice refund for the extra I'd paid. Long wait but worth it in the end.

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Amara Okafor

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Don't forget to check your state tax rules too! Federal and state rules for medical expense deductions can differ. Some states allow medical expense deductions even if you don't itemize on your federal return, and some have lower AGI thresholds than the federal 7.5%. I live in New Jersey and they have a special deduction for medical expenses that exceed just 2% of your income, which is way better than the federal 7.5% threshold. Saved me about $400 on my state taxes last year even though I took the standard deduction federally.

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Ethan Moore

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Thanks for bringing this up! I'm in Minnesota and had no idea states might have different rules. Does anyone know if Minnesota has any special provisions for medical expenses? I'll look it up too, but thought someone here might know off-hand.

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Amara Okafor

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Minnesota does allow medical expense deductions, but they generally follow the federal rules. However, Minnesota has some specific provisions for certain care expenses that might help in your situation. If you're paying for long-term care services or have significant prescription drug costs, there are some additional state tax benefits you might qualify for. I'd definitely recommend looking at the Minnesota Department of Revenue website for details, as state tax provisions can change year to year. But in general, if you're itemizing medically on your federal return, those same deductions will carry over to your Minnesota return.

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Has anyone used any other tax software besides TurboTax for handling lots of medical expenses? I've been using TurboTax for years but it seems to make entering all these medical receipts so tedious. Is there something better out there for people with tons of medical deductions?

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I switched from TurboTax to FreeTaxUSA last year and found it much better for handling my medical expenses. It's more straightforward about categorizing different types of medical costs, and I found their interview process more thorough for catching deductions TurboTax seemed to miss. Plus it's WAY cheaper. I was paying like $120 for TurboTax Deluxe plus state, and FreeTaxUSA was only about $15 for state (federal is free). Might be worth trying if you're not locked into the TurboTax ecosystem.

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I've used H&R Block's software for the past three years, and it handles medical expenses pretty well. Their interface for entering medical expenses lets you categorize everything by type (doctor visits, hospital stays, prescriptions, etc.) which makes it easier to organize. One thing I really like is their audit risk assessment that gives you a heads-up if your medical deductions seem high compared to your income level. That helped me make sure I had all the proper documentation ready just in case.

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Dmitry Popov

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The real issue here isn't just about getting caught - it's about tax fraud. Deliberately not reporting income and then using that unreported money for IRA contributions is a serious problem. Cash tips are taxable income, full stop. Remember that IRA contributions are reported to the IRS by your financial institution on Form 5498. The IRS's computer systems automatically cross-reference this with your reported income. If they see you contributed more than you supposedly earned, that's an immediate red flag.

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CosmicCadet

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So you're saying I should either report all my actual income including the cash tip, or take out the excess contribution from my Roth? I'm guessing there's a process for removing excess contributions?

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Dmitry Popov

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Exactly. You have two legal options here: either amend your return to include all your income (including the cash tip), or remove the excess contribution from your Roth IRA. There is indeed a process for removing excess contributions. You'll need to contact your IRA custodian and specifically request a "return of excess contribution." You'll need to remove both the excess amount and any earnings attributed to that excess portion. If you complete this before your tax filing deadline (including extensions), you can avoid the 6% excess contribution penalty. However, you'll still pay taxes on any earnings that came from the excess portion.

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Will the bank or investment company where you have your IRA ask you for proof of income before accepting your contributions? I make some money from occasional gig work and have been wondering about this too.

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Miguel Ortiz

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Most investment companies don't verify your income when you make IRA contributions - they just accept the money. It's your responsibility to make sure you're eligible. But they DO report all contributions to the IRS on Form 5498, so if there's a mismatch with your tax return, that's when problems happen.

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I dealt with this exact same issue last year! The problem isn't you - it's how TurboTax phrases their questions about support and income types. Here's the key: For tax purposes, what matters is whether you can be claimed as a dependent, not the source of your income. Since you're 22, living on your own, and providing more than 50% of your own support, you ARE supporting yourself - period. The fact that some of that support comes from unemployment doesn't change your dependency status. The Form 8615 is ONLY for dependents with unearned income. Since you're not a dependent (regardless of your income sources), you shouldn't file Form 8615.

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Liam Brown

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This makes so much sense now! I think I was overthinking the questions because unemployment feels different than a regular job, but from a dependency perspective, I'm still supporting myself. Did you end up just answering "yes" to the question about supporting yourself with earned income even though unemployment was part of your support?

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Yes, I answered "yes" to supporting myself with earned income, even though a good chunk of my income was unemployment. The key is understanding what TurboTax is really asking - they're trying to determine dependency status, not doing a technical breakdown of income types. For dependency test purposes, the important thing is that you're supporting yourself (versus being supported by parents), not the technical classification of each income source. Once I answered "yes" to supporting myself, TurboTax correctly skipped Form 8615 and everything else fell into place. Form 8615 is specifically for children/students who ARE dependents and have unearned income above certain thresholds. Since you're not a dependent, that form shouldn't apply to you regardless of how much of your income is "earned" vs "unearned.

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Jacob Lewis

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Wait I'm confused. Isn't unemployment considered earned income? I thought since you paid into unemployment insurance while working, the benefits count as earned income when you receive them?

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No, unemployment benefits are definitely considered unearned income for tax purposes. Even though you might have paid into the system while working, the IRS classifies unemployment compensation as unearned income - similar to interest, dividends, or other income you didn't directly work for. This distinction matters for things like the Earned Income Tax Credit (which requires earned income), but in OP's case, the key issue isn't about earned vs. unearned income - it's about dependency status. Since they support themselves and can't be claimed as a dependent, Form 8615 wouldn't apply regardless of how their income is classified.

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Chloe Martin

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Don't forget to check if you qualify for any partial exclusion of capital gains! If you used the inherited property as your primary residence for any period during the 5 years before selling, you might be eligible for a prorated portion of the $250,000 exclusion ($500,000 if married filing jointly). For example, if you lived there for 1 year out of the 2-year requirement, you might qualify for 50% of the exclusion, which could be significant. There are also exceptions if you had to sell due to health issues, job changes, or unforeseen circumstances.

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Diego Rojas

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Is this true even for inherited properties? I thought the primary residence exclusion only applied if you actually owned the home, not if you inherited it?

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Chloe Martin

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The primary residence exclusion applies to any home you own and use as your main home, regardless of how you acquired it. If you inherited the property and then lived in it as your primary residence, those years of use count toward the 2-out-of-5 year requirement. What matters is ownership and use, not how you originally obtained the property. If you inherited it and immediately sold it without living there, then no, you wouldn't qualify. But if you lived in the inherited house after receiving it, those years absolutely count toward potential primary residence exclusion.

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Has anyone dealt with calculating the stepped-up basis when you don't have an appraisal from the time of inheritance? My father passed in 2017 and I'm just now selling his house, but we never got a formal appraisal back then.

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You can get a retroactive appraisal! I was in this exact situation. Find a qualified appraiser who specializes in retroactive valuations - they'll research comparable sales from that time period to establish what the property was worth when you inherited it. It costs a few hundred dollars but can save you thousands in taxes by properly establishing your basis.

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That's super helpful - I had no idea retroactive appraisals were even a thing! Did you have any issues with the IRS accepting a retroactive appraisal when you filed your taxes? I'm worried they might question it since it wasn't done at the actual time of inheritance.

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