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The child tax credit age cutoff is honestly one of the dumbest things in our tax code. Kids don't magically become cheaper to raise when they turn 17! If anything, they get MORE expensive (car insurance, college prep, etc). Have you looked into whether you qualify for the Earned Income Credit? That has different age requirements and might help.
My accountant never mentioned anything about earned income credit... what are the requirements for that? I make about $52,000 a year if that matters.
For the 2024 tax year (filing in 2025), a single parent with one child can qualify for the Earned Income Credit if they earn less than about $53,120, so you'd be right under the threshold! The maximum credit for your situation would be around $3,995, which could completely wipe out what you owe and possibly even give you a refund. Your accountant should have absolutely checked this for you. The qualifications are different from the child tax credit - your 17-year-old would still count for the EIC as long as they lived with you for more than half the year, have a valid SSN, and meet the relationship test. Definitely look into this or get a different tax preparer who's more thorough!
I'm going through this exact same thing! My son turned 17 last February and I lost the child tax credit. I ended up owing $1,775 that I wasn't expecting. Anyone know if there's a way to file an extension and pay later without huge penalties? I just can't come up with this money by April.
You can file an extension with Form 4868, but that only extends the time to FILE your return, not the time to PAY what you owe. You'll still accrue penalties and interest on any unpaid amount after the April deadline. BUT - the IRS has payment plans that are actually pretty reasonable. Look into the short-term payment plan (120 days) which has no setup fee!
Just wanted to add - I'm an international student advisor at a different university (not giving advice officially here!), and we always recommend students check if your school has a VITA program (Volunteer Income Tax Assistance). Many universities offer this free service during tax season and they often have volunteers trained specifically on international student tax issues including the W8-BEN form. Also, the form itself is pretty straightforward for most students without income. The most important parts are your personal info, checking the appropriate box for your status, and your signature. You typically don't need to worry about the treaty sections if you don't have income.
Does VITA help with W8-BEN forms though? I thought they only helped with actual tax returns, not bank forms.
VITA programs can vary by location, but many university-based VITA sites do assist international students with W8-BEN forms since it's such a common question. You're right that their primary purpose is helping with tax returns, but most VITA volunteers at universities are trained on the basic international student forms too. It's definitely worth checking with your specific university's VITA program to see what they cover. Even if they don't directly help with the W8-BEN form, they might be able to point you to resources that can help. They're generally much more knowledgeable about these issues than the front desk staff at international student offices.
Small tip from another international student - make sure you keep a copy of every W8-BEN form you submit! I've had to provide these to multiple banks, my university for scholarships, and even when I got a small side gig. Also, be aware there's a difference between W8-BEN and W8-BEN-E forms. As an individual, you need the regular W8-BEN. The E version is for entities like companies.
Good advice about keeping copies! My roommate had issues because he submitted the form to his bank but then couldn't remember some of what he put when another organization asked for the same form later.
Just a heads up - what you're describing sounds like you want to avoid showing any profit year after year. This is a HUGE red flag to the IRS. Businesses are supposed to make profit eventually - if you never show profit, the IRS might reclassify your business as a hobby, which means you lose a ton of deductions. Look up the "hobby loss rule" - basically if you don't show profit in 3 out of 5 consecutive years, you risk being classified as a hobby, not a business. Then you'd lose all those business deductions.
Oh wow, I had no idea about the hobby loss rule. So even if I am legitimately reinvesting in my business, I need to show some profit occasionally? Does the amount of profit matter or just the fact that there is some?
The amount of profit doesn't have a specific threshold - it just needs to be genuine profit. The key is demonstrating that you have a profit motive, not just a tax reduction motive. Small profits are fine as long as they're real. What helps is having a business plan that shows your reinvestment strategy is part of a long-term growth plan that will eventually result in greater profits. Documentation is your friend here - keep records showing how your business decisions are commercially reasonable and aimed at eventual profitability.
random person with small business here! i was doing what ur talking about for 2 years - kept reinvesting every dollar back into my business and thought i was being smart with "zero profit" on paper. guess what happened? audit!!! š turns out some of my "business expenses" weren't legit business needs (like that fancy laptop that was way more than necessary). they reclassified like $7k as personal expenses and hit me with back taxes + penalties. not worth the stress!!! now i just plan for reasonable profit + taxes instead of trying to game the system.
Have you checked your tax transcript on the IRS website? Go to irs.gov and search for "get transcript online." You'll need to create an account if you don't have one. The transcript will show codes that tell you exactly where your return is in processing. Look for code 846 which means "refund issued" - that's what you want to see!
Has your state refund come through yet? Sometimes state refunds process faster than federal. Also, did you file electronically or by mail? Paper returns are taking 6-8 weeks minimum this year from what I've heard.
I filed electronically for both federal and state. My state refund (about $430) actually came through about a week ago, which makes the federal delay even more annoying! I don't understand why the state can process it so quickly but the federal is taking forever.
Chloe Anderson
Just want to add something important about record keeping. Even if you don't need to file anything for your child because they're under the $1300 threshold, you should still keep track of the cost basis for all investments in the custodial account. I learned this the hard way when my son turned 18 and we transferred his custodial account to his own name. We had years of small dividend reinvestments that we never reported (correctly, since they were under the threshold), but we still needed the cost basis history for when he eventually sells those investments. Keeping good records from the beginning saves a ton of headache later!
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Emma Thompson
ā¢That's a great point I hadn't considered! So even though I don't need to file taxes for these small amounts now, I should be keeping detailed records of all transactions for future basis calculations? Does your brokerage help with this or do you need to track it separately?
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Chloe Anderson
ā¢Most brokerages now track cost basis for acquisitions after 2011, so you'll have records available in their systems. However, I still recommend keeping your own spreadsheet or file with annual statements. This is especially important for dividend reinvestments which create tiny new tax lots every time they occur. While the brokerage tracks these, having your own backup documentation is valuable. Also, if you ever switch brokerages or when the account eventually transfers to your child, having your own complete history makes everything much smoother. Think of it as an insurance policy against future tax headaches!
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Diego Vargas
Be careful about state taxes too! The federal kiddie tax threshold is $1300, but some states have different rules. I'm in New Jersey and learned that they have a much lower threshold for filing a tax return for dependents with unearned income. My son only had about $900 in dividends and capital gain distributions last year, so I didn't file a federal return as it was under the $1300 threshold. Later found out NJ required filing for anything over $500! Had to scramble to file a state-only return for him.
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Emma Thompson
ā¢Wow, I hadn't even thought about state taxes being different! I'm in Illinois - does anyone know what the threshold is here for custodial accounts and kiddie tax?
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Diego Vargas
ā¢I don't know Illinois specifically, but many states either follow the federal guidelines or have their own thresholds. Your best bet is to check the Illinois Department of Revenue website or call them directly. Another option is to look at your tax software if you use any - most good tax software will alert you to state-specific filing requirements for dependents when you input their information. That's actually how I discovered the NJ requirement after initially missing it. Don't assume state and federal rules align, as that was the mistake I made!
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