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One important thing to know is that Roth IRAs have income limits for contributions too. For 2021, if you were single and had a modified AGI over $140k (or married filing jointly over $208k), you wouldn't have been eligible to contribute the full amount or possibly any amount to a Roth IRA. If your income was above those limits and you still contributed, you might have an excess contribution issue that would need to be addressed. The penalty for excess contributions is 6% of the excess amount for each year it remains in the account.
Thanks for pointing this out! My income was definitely below those limits in 2021 (around $65k) so I was eligible for the full contribution. I think I might have been confused about how much I actually contributed - just double checked and it was exactly $6k, not $8k like I initially wrote. My memory isn't what it used to be lol. If I'm understanding everyone correctly, since the Roth contribution doesn't affect my tax liability and my income was too high for the Saver's Credit but below the Roth income limits, there's really no benefit to amending my return. Does that sound right?
That's exactly right. If your contribution was $6k (within the limit), your income was below the Roth IRA income thresholds but above the Saver's Credit limit, there's really no reason to amend your return. The IRS already has the information from the Form 5498 that your financial institution filed, and since Roth contributions don't impact your tax liability, you're good to go. One less thing to worry about!
Another thing to consider - if you plan to do backdoor Roth conversions in the future, having accurate records of all your contributions becomes more important for tracking purposes. Even though it may not affect your taxes now, I recommend keeping good records of all your IRA contributions (both traditional and Roth) for future reference.
Can you explain what a "backdoor Roth conversion" is? I keep hearing about it but don't really understand the concept or why it matters for record keeping.
Make sure you're keeping REALLY good records of the actual work your son is doing. I got audited a few years back because I was employing my kid in my business. The IRS wanted proof that my daughter (who was 14 at the time) was actually performing legitimate services and that I wasn't just shifting income to her for tax purposes. I recommend having your son keep a detailed log of hours worked and specific tasks performed. Take photos of him working when appropriate. Have email/text communications about the work. Pay reasonable wages based on what you'd pay someone else for the same work. Also important: pay directly to him (not to the 529 directly). He needs to receive the money first, then he (or you on his behalf) can contribute to the 529. The money needs to be his first.
This is great advice about documentation. I hadn't thought about taking photos of him working as evidence. Is there a specific format you'd recommend for the work log? Like a spreadsheet or something more formal? And for paying him, should I set up a separate bank account in his name?
I used a simple Google spreadsheet with columns for date, start time, end time, total hours, hourly rate, total pay, and a detailed description of tasks. I had my daughter fill it out daily when she worked and I'd review it weekly. Nothing fancy, but consistent documentation is what matters. Definitely set up a separate bank account in his name. I opened a custodial account for my daughter and had her paychecks direct deposited there. This creates a clear paper trail showing the money was actually paid to her. Having a separate account also makes it easier to track when money moves from his earnings to the 529 contribution. The account statements become additional documentation of the legitimate business relationship.
Small but important correction to what's been said: just because your son earns less than the standard deduction ($13,850) doesn't automatically mean no taxes. If he earns more than $400 as a 1099, he still owes self-employment tax even if he owes no income tax. But as a W2 employee in a parent-owned sole proprietorship, children under 18 are exempt from FICA taxes (social security and medicare), which is 15.3%. That's a huge savings right there! Also, check if your state honors this federal exemption. Some states follow federal rules for family employment but others have their own requirements.
But doesn't the parent/business owner still have to pay the employer portion of FICA even if the kid is exempt?
No, that's the beauty of this exemption. When a child under 18 works for a parent's sole proprietorship, both the employer and employee portions of FICA taxes are exempt. So neither you nor your child pays the 15.3% FICA tax. The exemption applies to both halves of the tax. This only works for sole proprietorships and partnerships where both partners are the child's parents. If your business is an LLC taxed as a corporation or an S-Corp, this specific exemption doesn't apply and you'd have to pay both portions of FICA like any other employee.
I own an S-Corp and receive incorrect 1099s all the time. It's super annoying but not the end of the world. Yes, you should file a corrected 1099 showing $0, but also, this contractor is being overly dramatic. We just note the error on our corporate returns and move on. The "freaking out" seems unprofessional, especially since it's a common mistake. Many clients don't understand S-Corp taxation.
Thanks for that perspective. Is there a deadline for when I need to get the corrected 1099 filed? The contractor is making it sound like this needs to be done ASAP or there will be serious consequences.
You should file the correction as soon as reasonably possible, but there's no strict deadline specifically for corrections. The original 1099s are due January 31st each year, but corrections can be submitted after that. Your contractor is definitely overreacting. While it's annoying for them, it's not going to destroy their business. We just include a note with our tax filing that explains the discrepancy. If anything does come up, the S-Corp has documentation (their W9 showing their status) to easily resolve it. I'd still get the correction done within the next month to be professional, but the panic is unwarranted.
Has anyone mentioned the whole DBA situation? If his W9 is for an e-card company "doing business as" a video company, are you sure you're even paying the right entity? This sounds super sketchy, and I'd want to verify that the EIN on the W9 actually belongs to a legitimate S-Corp before worrying about the 1099 issue.
This is an excellent point. You can verify business information through your state's Secretary of State business entity search. Check if the S-Corp is properly registered and if the names match up with what's on the W9. DBAs should be formally registered too.
Make sure you're tracking ALL your business expenses! I'm in construction and these are the categories I deduct: - Materials & supplies - Subcontractor labor - Tools & equipment - Vehicle expenses/mileage - Business insurance - Software subscriptions - Phone & internet (business %) - Home office (if you have one) - Professional services (accounting, legal) Without a 1099-K, you still report the full income on Schedule C line 1 as "Gross receipts or sales" then deduct all expenses. You only pay tax on the net profit. Don't leave money on the table by missing deductions!
Thanks for this breakdown. I've definitely been tracking materials and subcontractor costs, but I haven't been great about the smaller stuff like software and phone expenses. Do you need special documentation for the home office deduction? I've heard that's an audit trigger.
For the home office deduction, you need to use a space exclusively for business purposes. Measure the square footage of your dedicated office space and divide by your home's total square footage to get the percentage. You can deduct that percentage of rent/mortgage interest, utilities, insurance, etc. It's not automatically an audit trigger if done correctly. Just make sure you have photos of the space and documentation of expenses. The simplified option is also available - $5 per square foot up to 300 square feet ($1,500 max) which requires less documentation. Either way, if you legitimately use part of your home exclusively for business, you should claim it.
i run a small biz and stripe didnt give me a 1099k either. its normal. the 200 transaction rule is why. u still gotta report ALL income even without forms. the irs can see ur bank deposits so dont try to hide it lol i use quickbooks self employed. it connects to stripe and categorizes everything automatically. then export to turbotax. super easy. sounds like ur not entering expenses right in turbotax if ur paying tax on the full 215k. theres no way u should be paying that much!!
QuickBooks is crazy expensive tho. Are there cheaper alternatives that work with Stripe?
Lucas Kowalski
I'm a parent of a 26-year-old with a disability, and we've dealt with the SGA question multiple times. Here's what I've learned: The Social Security Administration and the IRS have different standards for SGA. For the IRS dependent exemption, they're primarily concerned with the support test (do you provide more than half their support?) rather than strictly applying the SSA's SGA limits. In my experience, a brief period of increased work during the holiday season hasn't affected our ability to claim our son as a dependent, especially since his annual income was still low and we continued to provide most of his support throughout the year.
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Olivia Martinez
ā¢That's interesting! So are you saying the IRS doesn't strictly apply the $1,470 monthly limit that the SSA uses? My daughter has Down syndrome and occasionally works more hours for special events, but we still provide over 90% of her support.
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Lucas Kowalski
ā¢That's right - while the IRS and SSA both use the term "substantial gainful activity," the IRS focuses more on the overall support situation rather than rigidly applying the monthly earnings limit. If you're providing 90% of your daughter's support, you're well within the requirements to claim her as a dependent. The key test for the IRS is whether you provide more than half of your dependent's total support for the year. The SGA question becomes more relevant if they're earning enough that they might be supporting themselves. Even with occasional higher earnings for special events, it sounds like your situation clearly meets the support test.
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Charlie Yang
Anyone know if there are different SGA thresholds for different types of disabilities? My son has a physical disability but is cognitively typical. He worked at Target during the holiday rush but otherwise works minimal hours the rest of the year.
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Grace Patel
ā¢There are different SGA thresholds for blind individuals versus non-blind individuals with disabilities. In 2023, the threshold was $2,460 per month for blind individuals and $1,470 for non-blind. Doesn't matter what type of disability otherwise - physical, cognitive, etc all fall under the same threshold as long as they're not blind.
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