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One thing nobody's mentioned - the "reasonable compensation" requirement for S corps doesn't necessarily mean you have to pay yourself regularly throughout the year. The IRS cares about the annual amount being reasonable for your role and industry, not the frequency. I've been running annual payroll for my S corp for 3 years now. I use Gusto, which charges a base fee of $39/month plus $6/person. So yes, I pay the monthly fee year-round, but the simplicity is worth it to me. In December, I run payroll once I know what my business profits will be, making sure my salary meets that "reasonable compensation" threshold. For Form 941, I file every quarter marking zeros for the first three quarters. It's annoying but takes like 10 minutes once you know how to do it. Some states also require quarterly unemployment tax filings even with zero wages. The real headache isn't the payroll itself but documenting why your salary is "reasonable" - keep good records of industry salary surveys, time spent working, etc.
Have you ever tried asking the payroll service to waive the fees for the months you're not running payroll? I've heard some people have had success with that, especially if you tell them you're considering switching to a pay-as-you-go provider.
I actually did try negotiating with Gusto my first year, but they wouldn't budge on the monthly base fee. They explained that even when I'm not running payroll, their system is still maintaining my account, handling compliance updates, and keeping my data secure. I looked into pay-as-you-go options, but for my situation, the convenience of staying with one system and having all my historical data in one place was worth the extra cost. Plus, Gusto handles all my tax filings automatically, which saves me time with those quarterly Form 941s. I just check the numbers before submission.
I just want to point out that there's a third option beyond "subscribe and cancel payroll service" or "pay monthly fees all year" - you can use a CPA that offers payroll services. My accountant charges me a single fee for year-end S corp payroll processing rather than monthly fees. They handle everything - calculating the optimal salary based on my business profits, preparing the W-2, filing Form 941 for that quarter, and ensuring I've met the reasonable compensation requirements. They also keep records to justify my compensation in case of audit. For the other three quarters, they file the Form 941 with zeros as needed. The total annual cost is significantly less than paying a monthly subscription to a payroll service, and I don't have to think about it until December.
Do you have any ballpark on what your CPA charges for this service? I'm trying to compare options and everything seems so expensive for basically running payroll once a year.
I pay about $350 for the annual payroll processing, which includes all the year-end forms, tax filings, and payroll calculations. They also charge about $75 per quarter for filing the zero-wage Form 941s, so all in I'm paying around $575 annually. This was much cheaper than the $468+ I would pay for the annual subscription to even the most basic payroll services ($39/month). Plus, I get the benefit of having professional eyes on my numbers who can advise on optimal salary levels and help document reasonable compensation determinations.
I work at a tax preparation office (not giving tax advice, just helpful info). Whatever you do, DO NOT mail everything to both places! Here's the simple version: forms with "1040" at the top go to the IRS. Forms with your state name go to your state tax dept. TurboTax literally prints them in order - federal first, then state. There should be a cover sheet for each section.
Is there any way to tell if I actually owe money to the state vs federal? I'm paranoid I'm going to mail something to the wrong place and then get in trouble for not paying.
i been working for a landscape company (not corporate) for 2 years now and i buy all my own tools, boots, etc. my boss said he pays me as a contractor not employee so i need to file with a schedule C. i take pics of all my receipts. can i deduct gas to jobsites too??
Yes, as a 1099 contractor you can absolutely deduct mileage for driving between job sites (but not commuting from home to your first job site of the day or from your last job site back home). For 2025, you can either take the standard mileage rate or track actual expenses like gas, maintenance, etc. The standard rate is usually easier - just keep a log of business miles driven. Also keep those receipts for tools and work clothes! Those are legitimate business expenses you can deduct on Schedule C.
Make sure your boss is actually classifying you correctly! Some employers try to call people "contractors" to avoid paying employment taxes when legally they should be treating them as employees. If they control WHEN and HOW you do the work (vs just the end result), you might actually be misclassified.
Question for anyone who knows - I work at a small retail shop and sometimes help with inventory and sales from home on my personal laptop. Can I deduct part of my internet bill or laptop costs?
Something important nobody mentioned yet - if u claim 100% business use, u CANNOT take even a single personal trip in that car. IRS is super strict about this! My friend got audited last year for his doordash car because he claimed 100% but then had a gas receipt from a vacation trip 300 miles away from his delivery zone. Ended up owing thousands plus penalties! If ur gonna share the car with ur dad, might be better to claim like 90% business use to be safe unless ur absolutely certain it will NEVER be used personally.
Thanks for this warning! This is making me rethink our plan. Maybe instead of claiming 100%, we should just track the mileage super carefully and go with the actual percentage. I definitely don't want to deal with an audit. Do you know if we need to keep paper logs or if the delivery apps' records are enough proof?
The delivery apps aren't enough for the IRS if you get audited. You need a detailed mileage log showing starting and ending odometer readings for each delivery shift, dates, and business purpose. There are some good apps like MileIQ or Stride that make it easier. Also don't forget you can deduct more than just the car itself! Hot bags, phone mounts, portion of phone bill, extra car chargers - all that stuff is 100% deductible separately from your vehicle expenses. I even deduct part of my Spotify since I play music during deliveries lol.
Lots of good advice here but nobody's mentioned Section 179! If you use the car 100% for business and buy it in 2024, you might be able to deduct the ENTIRE purchase price in year one instead of depreciating it over several years. There are limits tho - I think the vehicle needs to be over 6000 lbs for full Section 179 and there are dollar limits for cars under that weight. Worth looking into!
That's somewhat misleading. Most food delivery people aren't driving vehicles over 6000 lbs - that's like a large SUV or truck. For regular cars, the Section 179 deduction is capped MUCH lower - around $19,200 for 2024 I believe. And remember you can't claim more in deductions than you earn from your delivery work!
You're right - I should have been clearer about the weight limitations. For most standard cars used for food delivery, there are lower caps on Section 179. For 2024, passenger vehicles are limited to around $19,200 for the first year if they weigh less than 6,000 lbs. And you made another great point - your total deductions can't exceed your business income, so if you're just starting out in delivery, you might not have enough income to take advantage of the full deduction in year one. Any unused portion can be carried forward to future years though!
Giovanni Greco
Something similar happened to me in 2023! If it helps ease your mind, I can tell you my experience. I mailed my return late (in May) without an extension, but I was due a refund like you. No penalties at all. Got my refund after about 10 weeks. The IRS is really only concerned with punishing people who owe them money and pay late. Since you're owed a refund, you're basically just letting them hold onto your money longer, which they're happy to do. Just make sure you keep copies of EVERYTHING you sent them, including that explanation letter. And if you're really worried, you might want to check your tax transcript on the IRS website after a month or so to see if there's any activity.
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Yuki Sato
β’That's a huge relief to hear about your experience! Did you ever get any kind of notice or update from them before the refund showed up? I'm wondering if I'll be completely in the dark until money suddenly appears in my account.
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Giovanni Greco
β’I didn't get any notices beforehand at all. The money just showed up in my account one day. The only way I knew they were processing it was by checking the "Where's My Refund" tool on the IRS website, which finally updated after about 8 weeks to show they had received my return. After that, it took about 2 more weeks for the refund to arrive. So yeah, you'll probably be in the dark for a while. Paper returns really do disappear into a black hole for a couple months. If you need the money urgently, that's when I'd recommend trying to talk to someone at the IRS directly.
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Fatima Al-Farsi
Just a tip for next year - always save your AGI (Adjusted Gross Income) from the previous year's tax return. That's often why e-filing gets rejected with "already filed" errors - the system uses your prior year AGI to verify your identity. If you enter it wrong, it can trigger that error message even though no one has actually filed your return.
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Dylan Wright
β’This happened to me too! Turns out I had rounded my previous year's AGI instead of using the exact number. Such a stupid reason for rejection.
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