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Just a quick heads up - even if you don't legally NEED to file, sometimes it's beneficial anyway. Not only to get withholding back like others mentioned, but also because some tax credits are refundable, meaning you could get money even if you don't owe taxes. The Earned Income Credit might apply depending on your situation.
Are there any downsides to filing when you don't have to? Like does it trigger any extra scrutiny or anything?
There are really no downsides to filing when not required. It doesn't trigger extra scrutiny or increase your audit risk. The IRS actually appreciates voluntary compliance. Filing an unnecessary return might be a slight inconvenience, but many tax software options are free for simple returns with low income. Plus, getting in the habit of filing annually helps you understand the process better for when you do have more complex tax situations in the future.
Quick q - I'm in a similar boat but I also had like $200 in crypto gains. Does that change anything about needing to file?
One important thing to consider: will your daughter have enough earned income to benefit from the non-refundable portion of the credit? Remember, while $1,000 of the $2,500 AOTC is refundable, the other $1,500 is non-refundable, meaning she needs tax liability to use it. If she barely worked during college, this strategy might not maximize the benefit.
That's a really good point I hadn't considered fully. My daughter did have an internship last summer and works part-time during school, probably earning around $14,000 for the year. Would that be enough to utilize most of the credit?
With $14,000 in earnings, your daughter should have enough tax liability to utilize a good portion of the non-refundable part of the AOTC. After the standard deduction (around $13,850 for 2023), she'll have a small taxable income. Even with minimal tax liability, she'll still get the $1,000 refundable portion, plus whatever portion of the $1,500 non-refundable part her tax liability allows. So while she might not get the full $2,500, she'll likely get significantly more than $1,000. Definitely worth calculating both scenarios to see which benefits your family more overall.
Does anyone know if scholarships affect this? My kid gets a partial scholarship that covers about 60% of tuition.
Yes, scholarships definitely impact the AOTC calculation! Tax-free scholarships that are used for qualified education expenses (tuition and required fees) reduce the amount of expenses eligible for the credit. However, if the scholarship is used for room and board (by including it as taxable income), then it doesn't reduce qualified expenses.
Another thing to check is if you received any one-time tax credits or stimulus payments in 2023 that weren't available in 2024. The tax code changes every year, and there were several temporary benefits during and after the pandemic that have since expired. For example, the expanded Child Tax Credit was a thing for a while, and the Earned Income Credit had different rules. Even if your income and withholding were identical, these changing credits could explain the difference in refund amounts.
Thanks for this explanation. I actually did get some kind of pandemic-related credit in 2023 now that I think about it. I'll have to check my old return. Do you know if there's a simple way to compare the two returns side by side to spot the differences?
Most tax software allows you to view or download PDF copies of your previous returns. I'd suggest opening both your 2023 and 2024 returns and comparing the following sections: adjusted gross income, taxable income, total tax, and tax credits. The key differences will usually jump out when you see them side by side. Pay special attention to any lines that have numbers in one year but are blank or zero in the other - those are often the special credits that might have disappeared. If you used online tax software, many have a comparison feature that will highlight year-over-year differences automatically.
check ur filing status too... i had a similar thing happen and realized i accidentally filed as single one year when i shoulda been head of household. made a HUGE difference in my refund! also look at ur witholding on ur w2s from both years... sometimes employers mess this up or apply the wrong tables.
I'm a real estate investor with 7 properties and want to add another perspective. There are some scenarios where you might consider not taking maximum depreciation, though they're rare: 1. If you're already showing a loss on the property and are limited by passive activity loss limitations (and don't qualify as a real estate professional), additional depreciation might not help you this year anyway 2. If you're in a very low tax bracket now but expect to be in a much higher bracket in future years, the benefit of the deduction might be greater later (though as others mentioned, you're technically required to take it) 3. If you're doing a 1031 exchange and plan to keep exchanging properties until death, the depreciation recapture can be continuously deferred But for most typical investors, maxing out legitimate depreciation deductions and investing the tax savings is absolutely the optimal strategy. Just make sure you're documenting everything properly in case of an audit.
What about component depreciation or cost segregation studies? I've heard those can front-load even more depreciation. Are those worth doing for a small investor with just 1-2 properties, or are they only worthwhile for larger portfolios?
Cost segregation studies absolutely can be worth it even for small investors with 1-2 properties, especially for properties with higher improvement values (like $300K+ in building value). These studies typically identify 20-30% of a building's components that can be depreciated over 5, 7, or 15 years instead of 27.5 years. The sweet spot is usually properties purchased in the last 1-3 years with significant improvement value. The studies themselves typically cost $3,000-$7,000 depending on property size and complexity, but can generate tax savings of $15,000-$50,000 in the first year for many properties. Just make sure you work with a reputable firm that has experience defending their studies in IRS audits if needed.
Quick question - if I sell a rental property at a loss (selling price less than my original purchase price), do I still have to pay the depreciation recapture tax? The market in my area has dropped and I might need to sell my rental for about 25k less than I paid for it.
Yes, you still have to pay depreciation recapture even if you sell at an overall loss. The IRS treats the depreciation recapture as a separate calculation from your capital gain/loss. So you could have a capital loss on the sale but still owe depreciation recapture tax on all the depreciation you claimed (or should have claimed) during ownership. It's one of the nastier surprises in real estate taxation.
Ryder Greene
Just a quick tip - if you filed with TurboTax, H&R Block, TaxAct or any of the major tax software companies in 2020, try logging into your account on their website. Most of them keep your returns on file for at least 3-7 years, and you can just download your old return to find your AGI. Saved me from having to deal with the IRS directly!
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Carmella Fromis
β’Do you know if this works if you used the free version? I always use different free services each year depending on which one will let me file for free, so I'm not sure if they save returns for the free users.
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Ryder Greene
β’Yes, it generally works even with the free versions! I've used the free version of TurboTax for years, and they still save all my returns. The only difference is how long they store them - some free versions might only keep them for 3 years while paid versions might store them for 7+ years. Even if you used different services, it's worth checking all of them. Just make sure you're logging in with the same email you used when you filed in 2020. Sometimes people forget which email they used for tax services.
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Theodore Nelson
Another option - try entering $0 as your AGI if you're filing electronically for the first time or if you didn't file last year. The IRS sometimes accepts this as a workaround for people who can't access their previous returns.
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AaliyahAli
β’This worked for me! My return kept getting rejected and I was panicking. Tried the $0 AGI trick and it went through immediately. Thanks for the tip!
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