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Don't overthink this. For my S-Corp I just take my quarterly profit, subtract my salary, multiply the remaining amount by my tax rate (roughly 30% for federal + state in my case), and make that payment. I use the Electronic Federal Tax Payment System (EFTPS) to pay federal and my state's tax portal for state taxes. Just remember that underpayment penalties usually don't apply if you pay 100% of last year's tax liability (or 110% if your AGI was over $150k), so that's always a safe harbor approach if you're unsure.
Thanks for the straightforward approach. In your experience, is it better to slightly overpay and get a refund, or try to nail the exact amount? And do you make adjustments during the year if your income fluctuates significantly?
I personally prefer to slightly overpay. The peace of mind is worth more to me than the interest I'd earn on that money elsewhere. I do adjust my payments throughout the year based on actual performance. Since I can see my real numbers in my accounting software, I'll recalculate before each quarterly payment. If Q1 was unusually profitable, I'll increase my Q2 payment accordingly. If business slows down, I might reduce a later payment. The key is documented methodology - as long as you can show you made a good faith effort to estimate correctly, the IRS tends to be reasonable.
Has anyone actually used the IRS's new Direct File system for filing an S-Corp return? I heard they expanded it for 2025 filing but I'm unclear if S-corps are included.
One thing nobody has mentioned yet is that you need to include a 20% down payment with your OIC application (or make arrangements for monthly payments). That was a shock to me when I applied! Also, there's a $205 application fee unless you qualify for low-income certification.
Wow thanks for mentioning this! I had no idea about the 20% down payment requirement. Do you know if there are any exceptions to this rule? I'm cash poor right now which is part of my problem.
Yes, there's an exception if you meet the IRS low-income certification guidelines. If you qualify as low income, both the $205 application fee and the 20% down payment can be waived. The qualification is based on your household size and income compared to federal poverty levels. If you don't qualify as low income but still can't make the 20% down payment, you can choose the periodic payment option instead. This requires you to propose monthly payments and start making these payments while your OIC is being considered. The downside is if your offer is rejected, those payments won't be returned.
I've heard horror stories about the IRS coming after people years later even after an OIC is accepted. Anyone know if that's true? Like do they ever reopen your case if you start making more money?
This is actually a misconception. Once an OIC is accepted and you fulfill the terms, that tax debt is settled permanently. However, there is a 5-year compliance period where you must file all required returns and pay all taxes on time. If you don't, the IRS can revoke the agreement and reinstate the original debt.
I think people are missing an important perspective here. My teenage daughter works part-time and pays taxes. When we discussed this issue, she pointed out something interesting - she WANTS to pay into the system even without being able to vote yet. She sees it as learning financial responsibility and contributing to public services she uses like schools and roads. That said, she definitely feels there should be some mechanism for youth voices to be heard in tax policy discussions. Maybe not full voting rights at 16, but perhaps some kind of youth advisory council that provides input on how tax dollars affecting youth are spent?
That's an interesting perspective, but how would a youth advisory council actually work? Would they have any real power or just be symbolic? And who would choose which teens get to serve on it?
Those are good questions. I think for it to be meaningful, the council would need some actual authority - perhaps control over a small portion of the budget earmarked for youth programs, or veto power over certain spending decisions that directly impact young people. As for selection, I would suggest a combination of approaches - some members elected by high school students, others appointed based on applications and interviews to ensure diverse representation across socioeconomic backgrounds, geographic regions, etc. Maybe even have a rotating membership with 1-2 year terms so more young people get the opportunity to participate.
Honestly this whole argument seems misguided to me. Teens under 18 are still being represented - by their parents or guardians who DO vote. Parents are supposed to consider their children's interests when voting. Same with the standard deduction thing - that's specifically designed to protect low-income earners, including most working teens. As for felons, losing voting rights is part of the punishment for serious crimes in many states. They knew the consequences of their actions. The "no taxation without representation" slogan was about having NO representation whatsoever. These groups still have representation, just not direct voting rights.
That's a really privileged perspective. Not all parents vote in their children's best interests - many vote against policies that would help their own kids based on political ideology. And regarding felons, many states now recognize that permanent disenfranchisement after serving a sentence is counterproductive to rehabilitation and reintegration. That's why so many states have restored voting rights after sentence completion.
Don't forget to use Form 1040-X for the amendment! And make sure you're only changing the sections that need to be amended, not redoing the whole return. Also check if your state requires a separate amendment - many states do.
Thanks for mentioning the state filing! I totally wasn't thinking about that. Do I need to wait until the federal amendment is processed before doing the state one?
In most cases, you should file both amendments around the same time. You don't need to wait for the federal amendment to be processed before filing your state amendment. However, some states do require you to attach a copy of your federal amendment (Form 1040-X) to your state amendment form. Each state has their own amendment form and process. For example, California uses Form 540X, New York uses Form IT-201-X, etc. Check your state's tax department website for the specific form and instructions. The state amendment process is usually similar to the federal one, but processing times can vary significantly by state.
I had to file an amendment last year and ended up owing about $1,200 on $5k of missed income. The penalties were only about $80 because I filed the amendment within 3 months of my original return. Just be prepared to wait FOREVER for them to process it - mine took almost 7 months!
Holly Lascelles
Don't forget about repairs vs. improvements! This tripped me up last year with my partial rental. Repairs (fixing something broken) are fully deductible in the year you pay them (at your rental percentage). But improvements (making something better than before) need to be depreciated. Example: Fixing a leaky faucet = repair. Installing a brand new shower = improvement. Also, if you provided any furniture for the rental room, you can depreciate that over 5 years. And keep track of mileage if you ever drive to buy supplies specifically for the rental portion!
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Malia Ponder
ā¢What about painting? I repainted the bedroom I rent out before my tenant moved in. Is that a repair or improvement? And can I deduct cleaning supplies I use when tenants move out?
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Holly Lascelles
ā¢Painting is generally considered a repair if you're just maintaining the property - so that's deductible in the year you paid for it. Since it was specifically for the rental room, you can deduct 100% of that cost rather than just your rental percentage. Cleaning supplies used specifically for tenant turnover are absolutely deductible! Keep receipts for everything. I created a separate credit card just for rental expenses to make tracking easier at tax time. Anything that's "ordinary and necessary" for your rental activity qualifies as a deduction.
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Kyle Wallace
Quick question - I'm using TurboTax and I'm not sure where to enter all this partial rental stuff. Does it go under "Rental Property" even though it's my primary residence too? The software keeps asking if this is my "primary residence" or a "rental property" and I don't know which to select since it's both!
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Ryder Ross
ā¢You'll want to select "Rental Property" and then there should be a question asking if you also use the property personally. In TurboTax, look for the Schedule E section. It'll walk you through entering the percentage used for rental. Enter all expenses at 100%, then the software will apply your rental percentage to calculate the deductible portion.
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