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My sister dealt with this same situation. If the IRS already sent your refund including the child tax credit/EIC, there's a good chance they sided with you initially. The system automatically checks for duplicate SSNs being claimed, so they probably processed your claim first. BUT... the other person might still be going through review. If they submitted after you and included documentation, the IRS might still be reviewing their claim. In that case, you could still get a letter in the future. Keep EVERYTHING that proves you supported the child financially and that they lived with you. Calendar showing overnight stays, medical receipts, daycare payments, anything with dates on it. Don't throw away any of that until at least 3 years have passed.
Doesn't the tiebreaker rule mean that if two people can claim a child, the person with the higher AGI gets the claim? Or is that only when both people are equally eligible?
The tiebreaker rules only come into play when BOTH people are eligible to claim the dependent under all the qualifying child or qualifying relative tests. They're essentially the "last resort" when two people legitimately could claim the same dependent. In most disputes like this, the IRS determines only one person actually qualifies under the support and residency tests. If the child lived with the grandparent for more than half the year and the grandparent provided more than half the support, then the tiebreaker rules won't even be needed - the other person simply doesn't qualify regardless of their AGI.
watch out they might still audit u later. happened to my cousin last year. got the refund with dependent then 4 months later got a letter saying they were auditing. make sure u have proof of EVERYTHING. did u save receipts from when u bought stuff for the baby? need proof for: - medical expenses - food/formula - diapers - clothes - toys - percent of rent/utilities also need proof baby lived with u like mail addressed to baby at ur house, doctor records, anything with the address
You don't need proof for all that. IRS Publication 501 clearly states that for the support test, you only need to show you provided MORE than half of the child's total support for the year. You don't need to document every single expense.
ur right but in an audit they ask for everything. my cousin had to make a spreadsheet showing all expenses for the kid and who paid what. better to have too much proof than not enough! in a normal year ya don't need all that but when someone else also claimed the same kid its different. they check everything super carefully.
Here's a simple approach I use: Just calculate 4 different versions of your weekly pay in your spreadsheet: 1. Base 40 hours (lowest withholding %) 2. Moderate OT (medium withholding %) 3. Heavy OT (highest withholding %) 4. An average based on your typical pattern Then depending on what your week looks like, you can quickly reference the appropriate scenario. Not perfect but way easier than trying to build a complex formula.
That's not a bad approach for quick budgeting! Do you have any tips for how to determine the withholding percentages for each scenario? Are you just using the actual percentages from past paychecks?
I just look at my past paystubs and calculate the actual withholding percentage for each category. So I'll find a few examples of 40-hour weeks, average the withholding percentage, and use that. Same for the other scenarios. It's not perfect, but it gets me close enough for budgeting. The key is to categorize your past paychecks based on hours worked and then find the patterns. Over time, you'll see that the percentages are fairly consistent within each band of hours.
Have you tried the IRS Withholding Calculator? It's free and on the IRS website. You can run different scenarios with different weekly incomes to see how the withholding changes. I use it every January to make sure my withholding is on track.
The IRS calculator is good for annual planning but it's not great for weekly variations. It assumes consistent income throughout the year which is exactly what OP doesn't have.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if you file separately and want to take deductions like student loan interest, tuition and fees, or education credits, there are special rules. If you're married filing separately, you CANNOT claim the student loan interest deduction at all. And for some education credits, filing separately might make you ineligible too. Run the numbers both ways before deciding. In my experience, filing jointly almost always wins from a pure tax perspective. The financial aid question is separate and depends on your specific aid package.
This is super helpful! I had no idea about those limitations on education credits when filing separately. I think we'll definitely need to calculate it both ways. Do you know if standard free tax sites can show both scenarios accurately or do we need to use something more specialized?
Most of the free tax sites can show you both scenarios, but you might need to create two separate tax returns (just don't file both!). Start one return as married filing jointly, note the refund/amount owed, then start a new return as married filing separately and compare. The standard sites aren't great at explaining the financial aid implications though. For that, you might want to talk to your wife's school financial aid office directly. They can often run projections showing how different income levels would affect her specific aid package. Some schools even have financial counselors who specialize in these situations.
I'm still confused about FAFSA. I thought they changed the rules recently? Something about using different years for the income verification?
Yes, FAFSA made significant changes recently! Starting with the 2024-2025 FAFSA, they're using what's called the Student Aid Index (SAI) instead of the Expected Family Contribution (EFC). There are also changes to whose income is considered in the formula.
To get back to the original question about the Cohan rule - I'm a bookkeeper and see clients try to abuse this all the time. They'll come in with almost no records and expect to claim thousands in deductions "because of the Cohan rule." The reality is much different. In practice, the IRS is very strict about applying this rule, especially for theft losses. They typically expect: 1. A timely filed police report 2. Insurance claim documentation 3. Original purchase documentation or other proof of value 4. Evidence that you've exhausted recovery options Even with all that, they often allow only a percentage of the claimed amount when the Cohan rule is involved. And they're much more likely to scrutinize these claims during an audit. The bottom line: Can you "get away" with claiming fake theft losses? Maybe in the short term, but it's fraud, and if you're audited, you'll face serious consequences including penalties, interest, and potential criminal charges for tax evasion.
So what if you genuinely had something stolen but have very little documentation? Like I had some camera equipment stolen from my car last year (did file a police report) but don't have receipts for everything. Can I still claim anything?
Yes, you can still claim something with limited documentation. Having the police report is already a good start. For the value, gather whatever evidence you can - credit card statements from when you purchased the items, photos of the equipment, insurance documentation, even screenshots of similar items with comparable age/condition showing current market value. The Cohan rule might help you establish the value based on your partial records, but you'll need to show you're making a good faith, reasonable estimate. Document your estimation method carefully. For example, "Camera body purchased approximately June 2023 for $X according to credit card statement, lens valued at $Y based on current market price of similar used equipment minus 30% for age/condition." The more detail and supporting evidence you provide, the stronger your position will be if questioned.
Small business owner here. I've been through two IRS audits in my 15 years of running my company. Here's my experience with the Cohan rule: The rule CAN be helpful when you have some documentation but not complete records. During my first audit, I had incomplete mileage logs but could prove my business travel through appointment calendars, receipts from destinations, etc. The auditor allowed a reasonable percentage of my claimed mileage using the Cohan principle. BUT - and this is a huge but - they will give you ZERO leeway on completely undocumented claims or things that seem fabricated. My second audit involved a contractor who gave me fake documentation for some work, and even though I genuinely paid for services, the IRS disallowed the entire deduction because they determined the documentation was not credible. Claiming fake theft losses would fall under fraud, not the Cohan rule. The rule helps honest taxpayers with imperfect records, not dishonest ones trying to create deductions.
Natasha Volkov
Something nobody mentioned yet - make sure you don't have any EARNINGS in the traditional IRA before you convert to Roth! If your money sits in the traditional IRA and earns interest or dividends before conversion, those earnings will be taxable when you convert to Roth. Best practice is to convert immediately after contributing to minimize any earnings.
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Miguel Herrera
ā¢How quickly should I do the conversion after contributing? Mine sat for about 2 weeks and earned like $12 in interest. Is that going to cause issues?
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Natasha Volkov
ā¢A couple weeks is totally fine, and $12 in interest isn't going to cause major issues. You'll just need to pay taxes on that $12 when you do your 2024 taxes (since that's when the conversion happened). The real problems happen when people contribute to a traditional IRA and then wait months or even a year before converting, allowing significant earnings to accumulate. Some people have their traditional IRA in investments that could grow substantially before conversion, creating a larger tax bill.
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Javier Torres
Has anyone used TurboTax for backdoor Roth reporting? I'm trying to figure out if it handles Form 8606 correctly or if I should use a different software.
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Emma Wilson
ā¢I've used TurboTax for backdoor Roth for the past 3 years. It works but is a bit confusing. When it asks if you want to deduct your traditional IRA contribution, make sure to say NO. Then it will guide you through the Form 8606 for non-deductible contributions. The next year, it'll help you report the conversion with the 1099-R.
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