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I've been a tax preparer for 15 years and I think a flat tax would destabilize entire industries. Think about the mortgage interest deduction - removing it would impact housing prices. Same with charitable giving deductions and nonprofit funding. Education credits and college attendance. The ripple effects would be enormous. Plus, the tax code isn't just about collecting revenue - it's also used to implement social policy and economic incentives. A true flat tax eliminates those tools.
Couldn't those incentives be handled through direct spending programs instead of tax code complexity tho? Why mix revenue collection with social policy?
That's a valid point in theory. Direct spending programs could replace tax incentives, but there are practical challenges. Our political system has historically found it easier to create tax incentives than to approve new spending programs. Tax benefits are less visible and often face less opposition. The other issue is implementation. The IRS already has mechanisms to verify income, process claims, and issue refunds. Creating new agencies or programs to handle what the tax code currently does would require significant infrastructure. Just look at how complicated some benefit programs are to administer compared to tax credits.
yall r forgetting the biggest problems with flat tax - it ignores investment income. rich ppl make $$$ from capital gains, dividends etc. If those got taxed at same rate as wages, maybe flat tax wud be ok. But most proposals keep preferential treatment for capital gains. So really its just a tax cut for wealthy disguised as "simplification
This is such an important point that gets overlooked! A true flat tax would need to treat all income the same regardless of source. Otherwise it's just shifting more burden to wage earners.
the real issue is that the tax system is designed to be confusing af so they can get more money from regular ppl. ur friends are probably cheating the system but the system is already cheating us so π€·ββοΈ your friends might not get caught cuz the irs is super underfunded and mostly goes after poor people not rich tax cheats. they might be playing the odds but personally id rather do it right and not worry about it tbh
That's absolutely wrong information. The IRS has been massively increasing their enforcement staff and technology. They're specifically targeting incorrect filing status claims because they're easy to detect with automated systems. The "they only audit poor people" thing is outdated - they're now using AI to flag suspicious returns across all income levels.
maybe ur right but all i know is my cousin has been filing hoh for years with no dependents and hasnt been caught. but yeah i guess the risk isnt worth it for most people. just saying the system is already rigged against regular people. i did hear they got a bunch more funding recently so maybe they will start catching more people. still think its stupid that we have such a complicated system in the first place.
Here's what's probably happening: Your friends are likely filing correctly but adjusting their W-4 withholding to have more taken out during the year. If you want a bigger refund (though it's financially not smart), you can just have extra withholding by filling out your W-4 to take more out of each paycheck. The goal of taxes shouldn't be a big refund - it should be to break even! A big refund just means you gave the government an interest-free loan all year.
Thanks for this insight! That makes more sense than them all incorrectly filing as HoH. I'll ask them about their W-4 withholding. I've always just chosen the standard withholding, but maybe they're having additional amounts taken out. That would explain the bigger refunds without them actually doing anything wrong!
Just to add some additional context about Cafe 125 plans - these are established under Section 125 of the Internal Revenue Code (hence the name) and allow employees to pay for certain benefits with pre-tax dollars. This typically includes health insurance premiums, dental insurance, vision care, and sometimes FSA or HSA contributions. The key issue in your brother-in-law's case is that whatever amount was actually deducted pre-tax should match what's reported on the W-2. If the employer took double payments but only reported half on the W-2, they've essentially taxed him on money he never received.
So what happens if they never fix it and tax season ends? Can you still file with the wrong W-2 and fix it later?
You can file your tax return with the information you have and later amend it when you receive a corrected W-2. However, I recommend trying to get the corrected W-2 before filing if possible. If you must file before receiving the correction, you should consider filing Form 4852 (Substitute for Form W-2) along with your tax return. This form allows you to provide what you believe are the correct numbers based on your paystubs and other documentation. Be sure to explain the situation in the form and keep copies of all your evidence showing the correct withholding amounts.
Has your brother-in-law checked his last December paystub against his W-2? Sometimes the year-end paystub will show the total pre-tax deductions for the entire year. He could compare this with what's shown in the Cafe 125 box on the W-2 to confirm the discrepancy.
This is the best advice here. My company messed up my W-2 last year, but I was able to show them my December paystub with YTD totals that proved their numbers were way off. Print everything out and highlight the numbers!
Don't forget that Section 965(a) inclusion applies differently depending on whether your client is a U.S. shareholder of a deferred foreign income corporation (DFIC) or an E&P deficit foreign corporation. The inclusion amount would be the greater E&P as of November 2, 2017, or December 31, 2017. If you're missing historical data, focus on reconstructing those specific dates.
Thanks for this! The corporation is definitely a DFIC in our case. The problem I'm having is that the client acquired the SFC in 2016, so we do have that year's info, but I wasn't sure if we needed to somehow account for pre-acquisition E&P for the Section 965 calculation or if we could just start with the E&P as of the acquisition date.
You should use the acquisition date as your starting point. The Section 965 inclusion applies to the shareholder's pro rata share of accumulated post-1986 E&P, but only for the period during which the foreign corporation was an SFC with respect to your specific U.S. shareholder. Pre-acquisition E&P wouldn't be included because your client didn't have a pro rata share of that E&P (they weren't a U.S. shareholder of the SFC during that time). Start with the E&P as of acquisition and then track forward to the measurement dates.
Has anyone run into the issue of foreign tax credits with acquired SFCs under Section 965? I'm trying to figure out if my client can claim FTCs for foreign taxes paid by the SFC before they acquired it.
Generally, no. FTCs related to Section 965 inclusions should only be available for the taxes paid during the period your client was a US shareholder. The same principle applies - if they weren't a shareholder when the taxes were paid, they can't claim the credits associated with that pre-acquisition period.
AaliyahAli
Quick tip from someone who messes up their taxes every year: if your tax software has an amend feature, USE IT! Services like TurboTax, H&R Block, and TaxAct all let you amend returns you prepared with them. It's usually way easier than trying to fill out the 1040X manually because the software does the calculations for you. If you filed your original return through one of those services, just log back in and look for "Amend return" option. You'll just need to add your missing W2 and the software should handle the rest, including generating the completed 1040X you can print and mail.
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Ellie Simpson
β’Do you know if you can amend through a different service than you originally filed with? I used FreeTaxUSA for my original return, but I've heard their amend feature isn't great.
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AaliyahAli
β’Unfortunately, you generally need to amend through the same service you used for your original return. This is because the amend feature needs to access your original tax data as a starting point. If you're not happy with FreeTaxUSA's amend feature, you could try contacting their customer support to see if they can help walk you through it. Alternatively, you could use a different service to create that "practice return" I mentioned to calculate your corrected amounts, but you'd still need to manually fill out the 1040X form. The IRS also has fillable PDF forms on their website that do some basic calculations for you.
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Arjun Kurti
Don't forget that if your amendment results in you owing more tax, you should pay it as soon as possible to minimize interest and penalties! The IRS charges interest from the original due date of the return (usually April 15th) on any unpaid tax, even if you're filing an amendment. You can make a payment online through the IRS Direct Pay system before you even mail in your 1040X. Just select "Amended Return" as the reason for payment and the correct tax year. This way, your payment is processed right away instead of waiting for them to process your paper amendment.
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RaΓΊl Mora
β’This is really important info! Is there a way to calculate exactly how much interest I might owe? My amendment is from last year's taxes and I only just realized my mistake now.
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Arjun Kurti
β’The IRS uses a quarterly interest rate that changes periodically. For a rough estimate, the rate has been around 5-7% annually for the past couple of years. To calculate it, take the additional tax you owe, multiply by the interest rate (let's say 6%), and then calculate based on how many months have passed since the original due date. For example, if you owe $500 additional tax from last year's return that was due about a year ago, you'd be looking at roughly $30 in interest (500 Γ 0.06 = 30). There could also be a failure-to-pay penalty of 0.5% per month up to 25% of the unpaid tax. Your best bet is to pay as soon as possible to stop additional interest and penalties from accruing.
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