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Any tax benefits when starting payroll for my home renovation LLC?

I started an LLC doing home renovations about 7 months ago and things are going pretty well. Right now I'm working with independent contractors for most jobs, but I'm thinking about bringing on a dedicated crew through actual payroll instead. I've got 3-4 guys who have been really reliable and I'd like to keep them around more permanently. My question is - are there any tax advantages for me as the business owner if I switch to payroll? Or am I just creating more headaches and expenses compared to keeping them as 1099 contractors? I'm trying to understand what this would mean for my business taxes overall. I know I'd have to deal with withholding, unemployment taxes and all that, but wondering if there are offsetting benefits I should consider. Thanks!

Setting up payroll for your LLC renovation business has both pros and cons from a tax perspective. When you hire employees instead of independent contractors, you can deduct their wages as a business expense just like you do with contractor payments. The big difference is that you'll also have to pay the employer portion of Social Security and Medicare taxes (7.65% of wages) plus unemployment taxes. These additional employer taxes are deductible business expenses though. A potential benefit is that you can offer retirement plans like a SIMPLE IRA or 401(k) that allow you to make tax-deductible contributions for both yourself and your employees. This could create significant tax savings for you personally while helping retain your crew. You'll also have more control over how and when work gets done, which can improve your business operations even though it's not directly a tax benefit. With contractors, you're limited in how much direction you can give without risking them being reclassified as employees anyway.

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Yara Campbell

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This is helpful but I'm confused about the retirement plan part. If I have employees, am I required to offer them a retirement plan? Or is that optional? And if I do set one up, do I have to contribute the same percentage for all employees as I do for myself?

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Offering a retirement plan is completely optional, not a requirement when you have employees. For a SIMPLE IRA, you can either match employee contributions up to 3% of their compensation or make a fixed 2% contribution for all eligible employees regardless of whether they contribute. The rules require you to treat all eligible employees the same, but that doesn't mean everyone gets the same dollar amount - it's based on percentages of compensation. With a 401(k), there's more flexibility in the plan design, but similar principles apply about treating employees consistently.

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Can the AI help with figuring out where the breakeven point is? Like if I have 2 employees vs 5 vs 10? I imagine there's a point where the benefits start to outweigh the costs but it probably depends on payroll size right?

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Nina Chan

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Something nobody mentioned yet - if you pay employees instead of contractors, you can take advantage of the Section 199A qualified business income deduction more effectively. With contractors, their fees aren't considered part of your qualified business income, but with employees, their wages reduce your QBI but can result in a higher overall deduction depending on your income level. Also, with employees, you have more flexibility with reimbursement plans like an accountable plan that lets you reimburse business expenses tax-free to employees without it counting as income to them. This can be huge for things like vehicle usage, tools, and certifications in construction!

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Ruby Knight

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Can you explain more about this accountable plan thing? I've never heard of it and I'm currently paying my workers extra to cover their gas when they drive between job sites, which I know isn't ideal tax-wise.

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Nina Chan

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An accountable plan is basically a formal arrangement where your business reimburses employees for business expenses without that reimbursement counting as taxable income to them. To qualify, you need three things: business connection (expenses must be job-related), adequate accounting (employees must provide documentation like receipts), and return of excess payments (employees must return any excess reimbursements). For your situation with gas between job sites, instead of paying extra taxable income, you could reimburse actual mileage at the IRS rate (currently 67 cents per mile for 2023). The employee doesn't pay tax on this reimbursement, and you still get the deduction. You'll need employees to track their mileage and submit documentation, but there are easy apps for this. Much better than grossing up wages to cover gas which creates additional payroll taxes for both you and the worker.

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Has anyone used Gusto or QuickBooks payroll for a small construction crew? I'm in the same boat, considering switching my 5 contractors to employees and wondering which payroll system handles construction-specific things like prevailing wage jobs and certified payroll reports. Also concerned about how to transition without making the guys feel like they're losing freedom.

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Logan Stewart

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I use QuickBooks Payroll for my remodeling business with 7 employees. It's decent for basic payroll but struggles with complex construction-specific reporting. For certified payroll on government jobs, I ended up using an add-on called LCPtracker. The main benefit is how it ties directly to my accounting, but the reporting for construction specifically is mediocre.

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Thanks for the insight on QuickBooks. Good to know about the limitations with construction reporting. Does it at least handle job costing well? I need to track labor costs per project really carefully.

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