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Yara Khoury

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9 Has anyone tried the IRS's Free File Fillable Forms for a partnership return? I know they offer free filing for individuals, but not sure if it extends to business returns like Form 1065.

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Yara Khoury

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18 Free File Fillable Forms don't support business returns unfortunately. They're only for individual Form 1040 filing. I looked into this last year for my low-revenue LLC and had to go another route. Partnership returns require either paid software, paper filing, or hiring a professional.

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Yara Khoury

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9 Thanks for clearing that up. That's disappointing - you'd think the IRS would want to make it easier for small businesses to file properly. Guess I'll look into paper filing or the other options mentioned in this thread.

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Yara Khoury

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11 Just want to mention that if your partnership had less than $250,000 in receipts AND less than $1 million in assets, you qualify for the Form 1065-EZ... oh wait, I'm totally wrong - there is no EZ version for partnerships! Sorry for the confusion. This is part of why partnership taxation is so frustrating for small businesses.

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Yara Khoury

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19 You had me excited for a second there! I was already googling "1065-EZ" before I finished reading your comment. It's crazy that they don't have a simplified version for tiny partnerships.

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Sean Doyle

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet that's super important: You need to make sure you're paying yourself a reasonable wage SEPARATE from the medical reimbursements! I tried setting up a Section 105 HRA with my husband's construction business last year and got audited. The IRS disallowed ALL our medical deductions because I was only "paid" through medical reimbursements with no separate actual wages. Make sure you're getting regular paychecks that reflect market value for your administrative work, withholding proper taxes, and filing quarterly employment forms. The medical reimbursements should be completely separate from your normal compensation. Also, document EVERYTHING. Keep a detailed timesheet of hours worked, specific tasks performed, and make sure your job duties are clearly defined in a written employment agreement.

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How much did you end up having to pay in back taxes and penalties when they disallowed your arrangement? I'm worried about setting this up wrong and facing a similar situation.

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Sean Doyle

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We had to pay back about $5,400 in taxes that we thought we had saved, plus another $1,100 in penalties and interest. The worst part was having to amend two years of returns and losing all those medical deductions we thought we had legitimately claimed. The IRS agent specifically told us our arrangement failed because: 1) I had no regular wages separate from medical reimbursements, 2) We couldn't provide documentation of actual work performed, and 3) We didn't have formal plan documents in place before starting reimbursements. They viewed the whole thing as just a tax avoidance scheme rather than a legitimate employment arrangement. If you set it up correctly from the beginning with proper documentation and treat it like a real employment relationship (regular wages, taxes withheld, formal plan documents), you should be fine. But definitely don't try to cut corners!

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Zara Rashid

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One question - does anyone know if I can do this retroactively? My wife has been helping with my plumbing business all year, but we haven't formally documented her as an employee. Could we create the employment agreement and Section 105 plan now in December and still claim the medical expenses for the whole year?

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Luca Romano

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Definitely not! The plan has to be formally established BEFORE any expenses can be reimbursed. If you try to backdate documents, that's a huge red flag for the IRS. You could set it up now for future expenses, but anything before the plan's official establishment date wouldn't qualify.

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Savannah Vin

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5 Another thing to consider - if your partnership agreement has special allocations (like one partner contributed the printer so gets a larger percentage of future profits), you MUST file the 1065 to establish this from the beginning, even with no income. I learned this the hard way! Basic online tax software can handle simple partnerships, but if you have special allocations or guaranteed payments, you might want to consult with a tax professional for your first filing.

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Savannah Vin

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9 Do the special allocations have to be documented somewhere specific? We have a 60/40 split because I put in more startup money, but it's just in our partnership agreement, not any tax forms yet.

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Savannah Vin

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5 Yes, the special allocations should be documented in your formal partnership agreement first, but they also need to be reflected on your tax return. On Form 1065, you'll indicate the profit/loss percentage for each partner, and this should match your agreement. The K-1s generated with your 1065 will show each partner's specific allocation percentages. This establishes your baseline with the IRS, so if you ever get questioned about why one partner is receiving 60% while another gets 40%, you can point to the consistent history starting from year one.

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Savannah Vin

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20 Quick question guys - I'm using TurboTax Business for our partnership filing with no income. Does anyone know if I still have to pay the full price even though we have basically nothing to report?

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Savannah Vin

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7 I used TaxAct last year for our no-income partnership and it was WAY cheaper than TurboTax, like 1/3 the price. Same e-filing capability and it worked fine for a simple return.

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Something nobody's mentioned yet: check your local laws regarding short-term rentals! Many cities have restrictions or outright bans on Airbnb-type rentals, especially in apartment buildings. You'd hate to set this all up, deal with the tax complications, and then get shut down by your city or landlord. Also, most leases have clauses against subletting, so you might be risking eviction. The tax benefits (or lack thereof) might be the least of your worries!

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Thanks for bringing this up! I checked my lease and surprisingly, subletting is allowed with landlord approval. My city also allows short-term rentals with proper registration. This is super helpful though - I wouldn't have thought about checking local regulations beyond just my lease.

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I actually tried doing exactly what you're describing last year! Here's how it played out tax-wise: I rented a 2-bedroom apartment for $1,900/month and sublet one room on Airbnb. Made about $9,800 for the year in rental income, and claimed expenses of: - 50% of rent ($11,400) - 50% of utilities ($2,200) - New furniture ($1,700) - Cleaning supplies, sheets, etc ($800) - Internet upgrade ($580) So I showed a loss of about $6,880, but my accountant explained I couldn't use it against my W2 income because: 1. It's considered a passive activity loss 2. The $25K exception requires ownership 3. I didn't qualify as a real estate professional The losses got suspended and I can only use them against future rental income. It was still worth it financially because the Airbnb income offset a good chunk of my rent, but didn't help with taxes like I'd hoped.

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Joshua Wood

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Wait, aren't you technically running a business though? Could you have classified it as self-employment instead of rental activity? Then maybe the losses would apply differently?

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I asked my accountant about that too! She said it depends on the level of services provided. If you're just providing basic rental amenities (bed, bathroom, etc.), it's still rental activity. If you're providing substantial services like daily cleaning, meals, concierge services, etc. - more like a B&B - then it might qualify as a business rather than rental activity. In my case, I wasn't providing those "substantial services" so it still counted as rental activity with all the passive loss limitations.

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As a policy idea, making commuting tax deductible would be incredibly expensive for the government. Think about it - almost everyone commutes, so that's hundreds of billions in deductions. They'd have to raise tax rates elsewhere to make up for it. BUT there are some existing commuter benefits worth looking into. Some employers offer pre-tax commuter benefits (up to $300/month for transit/vanpool) through Section 132 fringe benefits. This can significantly reduce commuting costs. Ask your HR department if they offer this program.

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Our company actually does offer those pre-tax transit benefits, but most employees don't take advantage of them. Do you know if there's any way to make driving expenses pre-tax too? Most of our staff drives rather than using public transportation.

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For driving expenses, the pre-tax benefits primarily cover parking costs at or near your workplace, up to $300/month. The actual driving expenses (gas, maintenance, etc.) can't be made pre-tax unless it's part of a qualified vanpool arrangement. If your employees are mostly drivers, highlight the parking benefit since it can save them 20-37% on those costs depending on their tax bracket. Some companies also offer incentives for carpooling or subsidize vanpools to help with commuting costs. These can be provided as tax-free fringe benefits under certain conditions. Worth exploring if you're trying to encourage more in-office work.

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Molly Hansen

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I don't think commuting should be tax deductible at all. People should live closer to their jobs or find jobs closer to their homes. Tax incentives for commuting would just encourage more sprawl, traffic and pollution.

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Brady Clean

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That's incredibly privileged thinking. Many people can't afford to live near their workplace, especially in high cost cities. And "just find a job closer to home" isn't realistic for specialized careers or in areas with limited job options.

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Molly Hansen

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You're right, I didn't consider the housing affordability crisis in many areas. I was thinking purely from an environmental perspective, but there are social equity issues too. Maybe a better approach would be targeted deductions for lower-income workers who are forced to commute long distances due to housing costs, rather than blanket deductions that would mostly benefit higher-income taxpayers. Or better yet, improve public transportation and make that more widely available as a pre-tax benefit.

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