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Has anyone considered that the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act significantly changed tax brackets, deductions, and credits between 2017 and 2018? I know OP is talking about 2023-2024, but if your tax preparer is using outdated forms like 1040EZ (which doesn't exist anymore), they might not be the most reliable. Different withholding tables + partial year work + 401k contributions can absolutely cause dramatically different refunds. Remember a refund just means you overpaid throughout the year - it's not free money!
Wait, so if these forms don't even exist anymore, why would my preparer mention using different forms? Now I'm really confused and wondering if I should find a new tax person. Do you have any suggestions for how to find a good tax preparer?
I'd be concerned if your preparer is actually referring to these outdated forms, as they haven't been used since 2017. They might be using simplified language to describe your tax situation, but it's a red flag if they're literally talking about filing these forms recently. For finding a good preparer, I recommend looking for an Enrolled Agent (EA) or CPA who specializes in individual taxes. Ask friends for recommendations, check Google reviews, and interview potential preparers before hiring. Ask questions like: How long have you been preparing taxes? What continuing education do you complete? How do you stay current with tax law changes? A good preparer should be able to clearly explain why your refunds differed and shouldn't mind questions.
One thing nobody's mentioned - check if your state withholding was different between the two years! My refunds were super different between years and it turned out my state withholding had doubled accidentally. The federal return looked similar but the state refund was huge one year.
Good point! I had something similar happen when I moved from Illinois to Indiana mid-year. The state portion made a massive difference.
I actually went through this exact scenario with U.S. Government Securities income last year. Here's what I learned: The interest from U.S. Government Securities shows up on your federal Schedule B, but it doesn't get any special treatment federally (it's taxable). At the state level, this income is typically exempt. In TurboTax, you do need to enter the information at the federal level since that's how the program flows, but you don't need to actually file an amended federal return. When you get to the end of the amendment process, there should be checkboxes for which returns you want to file. Just select state only. If TurboTax doesn't give you that option, you might need to call their support. There's definitely a way to amend just the state return, since this is a pretty common scenario.
Does the same apply for H&R Block software? I have a similar situation with U.S. Government Securities but I'm using H&R Block instead of TurboTax.
Yes, this applies to H&R Block software too. The process is similar - you'll need to enter the U.S. Government Securities income information at the federal level first, and then when you get to the filing stage, you should see options for which amended returns you want to file. H&R Block's interface is slightly different, but the concept is the same since all tax software starts with federal information and flows to state. Look for a filing selection page toward the end of the amendment process where you can choose to only file the state amendment.
Quick question for anyone who's done this - when amending just the state return for U.S. Government Securities income, did you have to pay any penalties or interest for the original underpayment? I realized I missed about $2,500 in exempt income on my state return, which wouldn't change my federal taxes but would reduce my state tax by about $150.
In my experience, if you file the amended state return promptly after discovering the error, many states will waive penalties but might still charge interest from the original due date. I amended my NY state return for U.S. Government Securities income I missed, and they charged interest but waived the penalty since I voluntarily corrected it.
Don't forget to check if you qualify for the American Opportunity Credit vs the Lifetime Learning Credit. The AOTC is generally better if you're an undergrad in your first 4 years of college. It's worth up to $2,500 and is partially refundable even if you don't owe taxes. For FTUSA, they'll ask you about education in the deductions & credits section. Be sure to include ALL qualified expenses - tuition, fees, books, supplies required for courses. Even if some expenses were covered by scholarships, you'll need to report both the scholarship income and all the expenses.
Do scholarships count as taxable income? My financial aid letter called everything "scholarships" but some were grants I think.
Scholarships and grants used for qualified education expenses (tuition, fees, books, required supplies) are generally tax-free. However, if you receive scholarships or grants that exceed your qualified education expenses, or if they're used for room, board, or optional expenses, then that portion becomes taxable income. Your 1098-T should break down what was paid for tuition and qualified expenses, but you'll need to determine yourself if any scholarship/grant money went toward non-qualified expenses like housing or meals. FreeTaxUSA will walk you through this calculation when you enter your education information.
Has anyone here claimed the Lifetime Learning Credit instead of AOTC? My academic program is 5 years so I'll use up my AOTC eligibility before graduating.
I had to switch to the Lifetime Learning Credit last year after using AOTC for 4 years. The Lifetime Learning Credit is definitely not as generous - only 20% of up to $10k in expenses (max $2,000) and it's non-refundable. But it's better than nothing after your AOTC eligibility runs out.
One thing nobody has mentioned yet is that you should double-check if your broker actually withheld at 30% during those early months. Sometimes brokers apply the correct treaty rate even without an updated W8-BEN if they have your country of residence on file from previous documents. Look at your 1042-S forms from your broker - they'll show the exact withholding rate applied for each payment. If they actually withheld at 25% the whole time, you wouldn't need to claim any additional treaty benefits. But if they did withhold at 30%, then definitely follow the advice about Schedule NEC and proper treaty claims.
Thank you for this suggestion! I just rechecked my 1042-S forms and you're right - they actually show different rates. For Jan-March they withheld at 30%, but April and May were already at 25% even though I thought my W8-BEN update wasn't processed until June. So I only need to claim treaty benefits for the first quarter, which simplifies things a bit.
That's great news! That will definitely make your filing easier since you only need to address a smaller portion of your dividends. Just make sure your tax software applies the correct rate to each payment based on what was actually withheld. If the software is still giving you trouble with applying different rates to different payments from the same source, you might need to enter them as separate items or look into the more specialized tax preparation options others have mentioned.
Has anyone dealt with a situation where dividends came from a US company but the stocks were held in a non-US brokerage account? I'm also filing 1040-NR and have dividends from a US company but through my Indian broker. Not sure if the treaty still applies the same way.
Yes, the treaty still applies based on the source of the income, not where your brokerage is located. If they're US company dividends, the US-India tax treaty rate of 25% applies regardless of whether your broker is in India or the US. However, there's an additional complication - your Indian broker might not be withholding US taxes properly. You should check if they're sending you a 1042-S form showing US tax withholding. If they aren't withholding US tax, you would need to report the full dividend amount on your 1040-NR and pay the treaty rate of 25% yourself.
Mia Green
One approach my wife and I use (I'm self-employed, she has W-2 income) is to set her W-4 for slightly HIGHER withholding to cover some of my self-employment tax. We found it easier than making larger quarterly payments. For the W-4, we check the box in Step 2(c) for "multiple jobs," which increases her withholding. It's not perfectly accurate, but it's simpler for us than trying to calibrate everything exactly. We usually get a small refund, which I know some people hate, but we prefer that to scrambling to make a big payment in April.
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Olivia Kay
ā¢Interesting approach! Do you know roughly what percentage of your self-employment tax gets covered by her additional withholding? And have you ever had issues with underpayment penalties this way?
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Mia Green
ā¢We cover about 60% of my self-employment tax through her withholding. The remaining 40% I pay through quarterly payments, but they're much smaller and more manageable this way. We've never had underpayment penalties because the combination keeps us well above the safe harbor threshold (100% of last year's tax or 90% of current year). The key was finding the right balance - we started too high with her withholding and got a huge refund the first year, so we've adjusted downward since then.
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Emma Bianchi
Don't overthink this! Just have your wife put "married filing jointly" and claim both kids on her W-4. Then YOU increase your quarterly payments a bit to make up any difference. WAY easier than trying to calculate the perfect withholding amount on her checks.
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Lucas Kowalski
ā¢This is actually really bad advice. If she claims both kids on her W-4 and the husband continues making the same quarterly payments, they'll likely be significantly underpaying their taxes. The quarterly payments were calibrated for just his income, not their combined income minus two child credits.
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