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Zara Malik

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet is that your basis in S corp stock can also be affected by the company's debts. If the S corp takes on debt that you personally guarantee, that can increase your basis, which might allow you to take more tax-free distributions or deduct more losses. But be careful with this - the IRS looks closely at debt basis, and you need proper documentation showing you're genuinely at risk. I learned this the hard way during an audit!

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Luca Marino

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Can you explain more about how debt affects basis? My S corp just took out a $150k loan that I guaranteed personally. Does this automatically increase my basis by $150k?

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Zara Malik

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No, a loan guarantee by itself doesn't automatically increase your basis. For debt to increase your basis, you generally need to be the direct lender to the corporation or have actually made payments on the guaranteed debt. Simply guaranteeing a third-party loan usually doesn't increase basis until/unless you're actually called upon to pay the debt. The rules are pretty specific - you need "economic outlay" where you've actually put your money at risk. If the bank loaned money to your S corp and you just guaranteed it, that doesn't increase your basis until you make payments on it.

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Nia Davis

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Does anyone know if taking a lower salary and higher distributions from my S corp is still a valid tax strategy? I've heard mixed things about the IRS cracking down on this.

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Mateo Perez

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It's still valid but risker than before. The IRS is definitely focusing on "reasonable compensation" in S corps. I recommend having your salary be at least 40-50% of your total income from the business. In my case, on $200k of business profit, I take $100k as salary and the rest as distributions. My tax advisor says this is defensible based on my industry and the services I personally provide vs. what my business provides.

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Nia Davis

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Thanks, that's helpful. I've been taking about 30% as salary so maybe I should increase that a bit. I just hate paying all those extra payroll taxes! Do you do anything special to document why your salary is reasonable? Like keep data on industry standards or anything?

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Zara Mirza

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When I did my OIC last year, I had the exact same confusion. The calculator was saying I owed based on money I needed for rent and utilities! I ended up getting help from a tax advocate who explained that there's a big difference between the simplified online calculator and the actual OIC process. Here's what worked for me: I attached a detailed document to my OIC application that broke down all my monthly expenses with supporting documentation (copies of bills, rent statements, etc.) Then I explicitly calculated my exempt amount ($1,000 + monthly expenses) and showed how my bank balance was below that threshold. My OIC was accepted with this approach, even though the online calculator had suggested I owed more. The IRS reviewers do understand this concept, but you need to spell it out clearly in your application.

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That's really helpful! Did you use a specific form for that detailed expense breakdown or did you just create your own document to attach? And did you have to get anything notarized or officially verified?

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Zara Mirza

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I created my own spreadsheet that listed each expense category (housing, utilities, food, transportation, etc.) with the monthly amount and annual total. I didn't get anything notarized, but I did include recent statements for everything - utility bills, bank statements showing rent payments, etc. I also wrote a cover letter explaining my financial hardship situation and specifically referenced IRM 5.8.5.22 (the Internal Revenue Manual section that covers the bank account exemption). The tax advocate told me that making it easy for the reviewer to verify your information greatly increases your chances of approval.

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Luca Russo

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Has anyone actually had an OIC accepted recently? I've heard the IRS has gotten much stricter since COVID and is accepting fewer offers.

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Omar Hassan

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I had mine accepted about 3 months ago. The acceptance rate is lower, but that's largely because people submit incomplete or inaccurate applications. If you document everything thoroughly and calculate your offer correctly, you've still got a good chance.

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Micah Trail

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Just wanted to add some info about penalties for the original poster. Since you had no income in 2021, you probably weren't required to file at all, which means there's no failure-to-file penalty. But if you did have some income from interest or other sources that required filing, here's what you should know: The failure-to-file penalty is typically 5% of unpaid taxes for each month your return is late, up to 25%. If you're more than 60 days late, the minimum penalty is either $435 (for returns due after 1/1/2020) or 100% of the tax owed, whichever is less. But again, this only applies if you were required to file in the first place.

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Nia Watson

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What about the stimulus payments from 2021? Could filing for that year help claim those if someone missed them originally?

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Micah Trail

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Yes, filing a 2021 return could help you claim the third Economic Impact Payment (stimulus) if you were eligible but never received it. The third stimulus payment was $1,400 per person, and it was technically an advance payment of the 2021 Recovery Rebate Credit. If you were eligible for the stimulus but didn't receive it, you can claim it as the Recovery Rebate Credit on your 2021 return. This is a really good point - even if you had zero income and weren't required to file, you might want to file specifically to claim this credit. However, you must file within three years of the original due date to claim this credit, so for 2021 taxes, you'd need to file by April 18, 2025.

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Does anyone know if TurboTax or H&R Block still sell their 2021 software? I found my old W-2 from that year and realized I never filed.

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I think you can still buy prior year versions on their websites. I just checked and TurboTax definitely still sells 2021 software but it's download only, no CD versions anymore. H&R Block should have it too. Just make sure you're getting the right tax year!

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For your specific situation with a husband/wife LLC, have you considered a Solo 401k with a separate SIMPLE IRA for your employee? Here's why: Solo 401k for owners: - Maximum contribution potential - Lower administrative costs - Simpler testing requirements SIMPLE IRA for employee: - Only requires 2-3% match - Almost no administration fees - No testing requirements This dual approach often works better cost-wise than a single 401k plan covering everyone when you have just 1-2 employees. The downside is you need to manage two different plans.

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Is this approach actually legal? I thought if you offer a retirement plan it has to be available to all eligible employees. Wouldn't having separate plans violate some non-discrimination rules?

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This is a common misconception. The key is in how you structure the business entities. If the owners operate through a separate entity (like a partnership) from the employee-hiring entity, then you can legally establish different plans. You'd need to consult with a tax professional to ensure your specific business structure qualifies, but many small businesses with similar structures to yours successfully implement this dual approach. The critical factor is having proper documentation of the separate business entities and ensuring you follow all IRS guidelines for each plan type.

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Speaking from experience, we have a similar LLC (me and my wife plus 2 employees) and we went with Guideline for our 401k. Only $49/month plus $8 per participant, so WAY cheaper than what Paychex quoted you. Their platform integrates with most payroll systems too. For maximizing contributions, we did a Safe Harbor 401k with 4% match, then added a discretionary profit sharing component that allowed us to contribute more for ourselves while staying within IRS guidelines. We were able to get almost to the $61,000 annual limit for each of us.

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That sounds perfect! $49/month is much more reasonable. Does Guideline handle all the compliance testing and Form 5500 filing? Also, could you explain a bit more about how the discretionary profit sharing worked in your case?

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Marcus Marsh

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Just an FYI - when entering multiple 1099-Rs in TurboTax, make sure you enter them one at a time completely. Don't try to combine them, even if they're from the same financial institution. Each form needs to be entered separately because they'll have different distribution codes, different withholding amounts, and possibly different exception qualifications. Also, check if you qualify for the "medical insurance premiums for unemployed individuals" exception to the 10% penalty. Since you mentioned being unemployed and paying for insurance, you might qualify for this exception on at least part of your distributions.

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Anna Kerber

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Thanks for the tip about entering them separately! Do you know if TurboTax will automatically ask me about the medical insurance exception, or do I need to look for that specifically somewhere?

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Marcus Marsh

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TurboTax should ask you about exceptions after you enter each 1099-R form. When it asks about the distribution code (Box 7), it will then follow up with questions about your situation. If you indicate you were unemployed, it should specifically ask if you used any of the money for health insurance premiums. If it doesn't automatically prompt you, look for a section called "Exceptions to Tax Penalties" or something similar after entering your 1099-R information. Make sure you have documentation of your insurance premium payments during your unemployment period, as you'll need this if you're audited.

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Has anyone used TurboTax's live expert feature for this kind of situation? I'm wondering if it's worth paying extra to have a tax expert review this.

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Cedric Chung

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I used it last year for a similar retirement withdrawal situation. The expert was helpful in confirming I qualified for an exception to the penalty since I was using the money for health insurance during unemployment. For complex situations like multiple 1099-Rs with no W-2s, I'd say it's worth the extra cost for the peace of mind.

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