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Something to be aware of with the Saver's Credit - the income limits are pretty low compared to other tax benefits. I qualified when I was early in my career, but got a raise and suddenly wasn't eligible anymore even though I wasn't making that much. For married filing jointly, you need AGI under $76,500 (for 2024 filing in 2025), which sounds like a lot but can be hit quickly with two moderate incomes. And the credit percentage drops as your income rises - only those with very low incomes get the full 50% rate.
That's good to know! Is there anything I can do to lower my AGI if I'm close to the cutoff? I'm currently single making around $35k, so I think I'm still under the limit, but I'm expecting a raise soon.
Contributing more to your pre-tax 401(k) is actually one of the best ways to lower your AGI! Those contributions come out before your AGI is calculated. For example, if you're at $39,000 and the limit is $38,250, contributing an extra $750 to your 401(k) would get you under the threshold. Health Savings Account (HSA) contributions also reduce your AGI if you have a high-deductible health plan. Traditional IRA contributions can reduce AGI too, but that might be limited since you participate in a workplace plan.
I had this exact same issue with multiple tax softwares giving conflicting info about the Saver's Credit! Found out later that some tax programs have outdated descriptions that date back to when the credit was first introduced as the "IRA Tax Credit" in early 2000s. The Saver's Credit was expanded years ago to include 401(k)s, 403(b)s, 457 plans, and even the federal Thrift Savings Plan (TSP). So yes, your 401(k) contributions absolutely count!
This explains so much! Been using TaxAct for years and they have weird descriptions for some credits. Wonder how many people miss out on credits they qualify for because of confusing descriptions.
Little tip from someone who worked in elder care for years - keep good records of when your parent stopped filing and why, especially if they filed in previous years. Most seniors with only SS don't need to file, but having documentation of the decision can save headaches if questions come up later. I usually recommend keeping a simple note with their important papers explaining the decision, the date, and citing the relevant IRS guideline (that SS-only income doesn't require filing).
That's really helpful advice! Would you recommend I get something in writing from a tax professional stating that my father doesn't need to file anymore? Or is my own documentation sufficient?
Your own documentation is usually sufficient. Just create a simple dated memo stating "As of [date], [parent's name] no longer files tax returns as their only income is Social Security benefits, which falls below the IRS filing threshold." Include any reference to IRS publications that support this (Publication 915 covers Social Security taxation). A tax professional's statement isn't necessary but can provide extra reassurance if you're concerned. Some tax preparers will provide a simple letter confirming non-filing status at little or no cost if you've used their services before. Just having something in your parent's financial records explaining the change helps if questions arise during future care transitions or estate matters.
Does anyone know if this affects Medicaid applications at all? My mom's in similar situation (only SS income) and we're in the process of applying for Medicaid for her nursing home. Would showing "no tax returns" cause any problems with that process?
Not filing taxes won't negatively impact a Medicaid application. In fact, it's completely normal for Medicaid applicants who only receive Social Security to not file tax returns. Medicaid eligibility is based on current income and assets, not on tax filing status. They'll still want to see proof of all income sources (including the SSA benefit statement), but they won't expect or require tax returns if there's no filing requirement.
One thing no one's mentioned yet is that you need to check if your plans are actually separate or if they're part of the same "plan" for IRS purposes. My company offers what they call separate plans but they're actually considered a single plan with different components for IRS contribution limit purposes. I found this out the hard way when I overcontributed last year and had to deal with removing excess contributions and the associated earnings (what a nightmare). The plan administrator should be able to tell you definitively how the IRS views your specific plans.
Thanks for pointing this out. Did you have to pay any penalties for overcontributing? And how complicated was the process to remove the excess?
I didn't have to pay penalties because I caught the overcontribution before filing my taxes and had the excess removed. The process wasn't simple though. I had to contact the plan administrator and request a "return of excess contributions." They had to calculate not just the excess amount but also any earnings attributed to that excess. The returned excess contributions were added to my taxable income for the year they were distributed, not the year I contributed them. The earnings on the excess were taxable in the year they were distributed. The plan administrator sent me a 1099-R showing the distribution with a special code indicating it was a return of excess contributions. It was definitely a headache I don't want to repeat!
OP, in case you're still wondering - the answer is in IRS Publication 571 and the related Code Section 415(c). The limit is PER EMPLOYER, not per plan. However, there's a twist with 403(b) plans that might be causing the confusion. For 403(b) plans, there's something called the "15-year rule" which allows for additional catch-up contributions if you've worked for the qualifying employer for at least 15 years. There's also the age 50+ catch-up contribution that's separate from the main limit. Additionally, 457(b) plans have entirely separate limits from 401(k)/403(b) plans, so if one of your plans is a 457(b), that could explain why people are saying you can exceed the regular limit.
This is the correct answer! I work in benefits administration for a large university. The confusion usually comes from people misunderstanding the relationship between different plan types. The 415(c) limit (which was $58,000 in 2021 and is now $69,000 for 2024) applies across all qualified plans of the same employer EXCEPT for 457(b) plans, which have their own separate limit.
Thanks for confirming! It's amazing how much misinformation circulates about retirement plan limits. Even financial advisors sometimes get the details wrong about these specialized situations. One more thing I should mention to the OP - if your employer has a 457(b) plan available (which many educational and non-profit organizations do), that's probably what people are referring to when they say you can contribute "double" the limit. You could potentially max out both your 403(b) and a 457(b) in the same year.
So I'm in a similar situation but slightly different. I have a 16 year old that lives with me and my boyfriend (we're not married). I claim the EIC for my child, but my boyfriend provides more than half the household expenses. Can he still file as HOH or does he have to file as single?
Based on IRS rules, your boyfriend would need to file as Single, not Head of Household. To file as HOH, he would need a "qualifying person" who is either his qualifying child or qualifying relative. Since you're already using your child's SSN for EIC purposes, your boyfriend generally can't use the same child as his qualifying person for HOH status. This is a common issue in unmarried couples with children. Only one taxpayer can claim a specific child for purposes like this, and using the SSN for EIC essentially "locks in" that child to your tax return for these purposes.
This might be a dumb question but would it make a difference if OP and partner got married? Would they be able to file jointly and get both the EIC and whatever benefit they were trying to get with the HOH status?
Not a dumb question at all! If they got married, they could file jointly which would eliminate the HOH issue entirely. Married Filing Jointly often provides better tax benefits than two separate returns (one HOH and one Single). When filing jointly, they could claim their daughter as a dependent (if she otherwise qualifies) and also claim EIC if they meet the income requirements. Married Filing Jointly sometimes has higher income thresholds for certain credits too. However, there can occasionally be a "marriage penalty" if both partners have similar high incomes.
Mei Chen
I've been using this exact structure (C-Corp + S-Corp) for 3 years now in my manufacturing business. Here's my experience: The key is making sure the consulting agreement is DETAILED and the S-Corp is providing real, documentable services. I have my S-Corp handle all executive management, marketing strategy, financial oversight, and business development. We keep detailed logs of hours, projects, and deliverables. The IRS did question this in a correspondence audit last year. What saved me was having: 1) A third-party compensation study showing my consulting rates were reasonable 2) Detailed work documentation and deliverables 3) Separate physical locations, email systems, and business operations Also important: Don't have the EXACT same ownership percentages in both entities. Mine are slightly different (I have a minority partner in the C-Corp but not the S-Corp).
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Liam O'Sullivan
ā¢How much did that third-party compensation study cost? And did you have a tax attorney help set all this up or did you DIY it? Seems like a lot of complexity just to avoid some taxes.
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Mei Chen
ā¢The compensation study cost about $3,500, but was worth every penny when the IRS came calling. I did have a tax attorney help set everything up initially - cost around $8,000 for all the documentation, agreements, and structure. Yes, it's not cheap upfront, but I've saved well into six figures in taxes over three years. It's not just about tax savings though. The structure actually makes business sense for us - the C-Corp focuses on production and operations while the S-Corp handles strategy and growth initiatives. Having the separation has helped us clarify roles and responsibilities within the company.
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Amara Okonkwo
Has anyone considered the state tax implications of this setup? I did something similar and while it worked fine for federal, my state (CA) has additional rules about related entities that nearly negated all the benefits.
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Giovanni Marino
ā¢I'm in NY and ran into similar issues. The state was much more aggressive in challenging our management fee structure than the feds were. Ended up having to restructure everything after a state audit that disallowed most of our inter-company transactions.
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