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Sean Kelly

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This is a complex situation that touches on several important tax concepts. Based on the information provided, here are the key points to consider: **Tax Basis**: Since this buyout is likely considered "incident to divorce" under Section 1041, your father's new basis would be the full original purchase price of $380k. The amount he paid ($95k) doesn't change this - he essentially steps into his ex-wife's shoes for her half of the property. **Ex-wife's tax implications**: Under Section 1041, she generally cannot claim a capital loss on this transaction. The transfer is treated as a gift with no gain or loss recognized, regardless of the amount received versus her original investment. **Primary residence exclusion**: For the Section 121 exclusion, your father needs to use the home as his main residence for at least 2 of the 5 years before any sale. This doesn't have to be continuous, but actual occupancy is required - not just avoiding rental income. If he's currently staying with his parents, he'd need to move back in and establish it as his primary residence. **Documentation**: Keep detailed records of the buyout payment, quitclaim deed, and any agreements. If he moves back in, maintain records proving primary residence status (utilities, voter registration, etc.). Given the complexity and potential audit implications, I'd strongly recommend consulting with a tax professional who can review all the specific documents and timing involved.

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TechNinja

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This is really helpful comprehensive advice! I'm dealing with a somewhat similar situation but wondering about one specific detail - what happens if there were significant improvements made to the property between the original purchase and the buyout? In my case, we renovated the kitchen for about $25k after buying the house but before separating. Does that get added to the $380k basis, or does it complicate the Section 1041 treatment? I'm trying to figure out if improvements made during the marriage affect how the basis transfers in a divorce buyout situation. @5d89d93fd609 Do you know if the timing of when improvements were made matters for basis calculation purposes?

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Jabari-Jo

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@08070f1f4358 Great question about improvements! Under Section 1041, improvements made during the marriage would typically be added to the basis. So in your case, the total basis would likely be $405k ($380k original purchase + $25k kitchen renovation). The timing of improvements does matter, but since your renovation happened during the marriage while both spouses owned the property, it should increase the total basis that transfers under the divorce rules. This applies regardless of which spouse physically paid for the improvements - marital property concepts generally treat improvements as benefiting both spouses' ownership interests. However, you'll want to keep detailed records of the improvement costs (receipts, contractor agreements, permits, etc.) since the IRS may scrutinize these additions to basis during any future audit. The key is being able to prove these were legitimate capital improvements rather than just repairs or maintenance. @5d89d93fd609 's advice about consulting a tax professional is especially important when improvements are involved, as the documentation requirements can be quite specific.

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Mia Alvarez

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One additional consideration that hasn't been mentioned yet is the potential impact of mortgage debt in this situation. If there was an outstanding mortgage on the $380k property when your father bought out his ex-wife's share, the tax treatment could be more complex. For example, if they had a $200k mortgage remaining, your father may have effectively taken over her portion of the debt liability in addition to paying the $95k cash. The IRS sometimes views debt assumption as additional consideration in property transfers. Also, regarding the primary residence question - since your father has been living elsewhere (with his parents), he'll need to be strategic about timing if he wants to qualify for the Section 121 exclusion. The clock doesn't start ticking until he actually moves back in and makes it his primary residence. Simply owning it while living elsewhere doesn't count toward the 2-year requirement. If he's planning to sell within the next couple of years, he should consider moving back in as soon as possible to start accumulating the required occupancy time. The good news is that the 2 years don't have to be continuous - they just need to total 2 years within the 5-year period ending on the sale date.

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Zoe Stavros

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@53e30ed04c48 You bring up a really important point about mortgage debt that I hadn't considered! This could definitely complicate the tax treatment. If there was an outstanding mortgage and the father assumed the ex-wife's portion of that debt, would that change his basis calculation? Or would the IRS treat the debt assumption as separate from the $95k cash payment? I'm also curious about something - if he moves back in to start the 2-year clock for primary residence, does he need to maintain it as his PRIMARY residence for those 2 years, or can he have it as a secondary residence while keeping another primary residence elsewhere? The distinction seems important for someone who might be staying with family temporarily but wants to preserve the tax benefits. This whole thread has been incredibly educational about divorce property transfers - there are so many nuances I never would have thought about!

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Owen Devar

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I'm just starting to dive into this topic and wow, this thread has been incredibly eye-opening! As a newcomer to understanding imputed income, I had no idea there were so many variables to consider beyond just the basic tax calculation. Reading through everyone's experiences, a few things really stand out to me: 1) The importance of getting state-specific information - I'm in Colorado and now realize I need to research whether we have any different rules here 2) The payroll mechanics that @0c39dadaf806 explained about how your take-home decreases while your W-2 gross increases - that's something I never would have anticipated 3) The suggestion to test for one month if possible is genius - I'm definitely going to ask my HR team about this I'm particularly interested in the tools people mentioned like taxr.ai for getting more precise calculations. Has anyone used this specifically for Colorado state tax implications, or does it handle all states equally well? Also, for those who mentioned the dependent qualification option that @8d10885449f3 brought up - my partner is a graduate student with limited income, so this might actually apply to our situation. I'm curious if anyone has experience with how universities or HR departments typically handle the documentation process for proving dependent status? Thanks to everyone for such detailed responses - this community knowledge is invaluable for those of us just starting to navigate this complex decision!

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Mason Kaczka

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Welcome to the discussion! You're asking great questions that show you're thinking through this systematically. Regarding Colorado-specific rules, you'll definitely want to check with your state tax authority since Colorado does have state income tax (unlike Texas which was mentioned earlier). The good news is that most states follow federal guidelines for domestic partner benefits, but there can be subtle differences in how they calculate the taxable amount or what documentation they require. For the dependent qualification route with your graduate student partner, this could potentially save you a lot of money if they qualify! The key requirements @8d10885449f3 mentioned are pretty strict though. For a graduate student, you'll want to carefully track their stipend/fellowship income to make sure it stays under the $4,700 threshold, and document how you provide more than half their support (rent, food, healthcare, etc.). Most HR departments have a standard "Declaration of Tax Dependent Status" form, but they might need additional documentation like proof of shared residence and financial records. I'd recommend reaching out to your benefits team early in the process since this paperwork can take time to review and approve. The one-month testing approach really is helpful if your company allows it - it takes all the guesswork out of the calculations and lets you see the real impact on your paycheck before committing to the full year. Good luck with your research! This thread has definitely become the most comprehensive resource I've seen on this topic.

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Ava Martinez

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Has anyone else found that inherited savings bonds are a complete nightmare to deal with? I inherited some from my grandpa and the amount of paperwork and confusing tax implications is ridiculous. The government really doesn't make this easy!

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Miguel Ortiz

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Tell me about it! I went through this last year and spent dozens of hours on it. My advice is to get everything in writing from TreasuryDirect about values as of date of death. I made the mistake of taking notes during a phone call but not getting official documentation, and it caused issues later when I filed taxes.

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Zara Ahmed

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I went through this exact situation with my dad's I-bonds about 8 months ago. The key thing that helped me was getting organized early - create a spreadsheet tracking each bond's serial number, purchase date, face value, and current value. One tip that saved me time: when you call TreasuryDirect, have your mom's Social Security number, the bond serial numbers, and her death certificate handy before you even dial. They'll need all of this info to give you the date-of-death values. Also, don't feel pressured to make the tax election decision immediately. You have until the due date of her final tax return (including extensions) to decide whether to report the accrued interest on her final return or handle it when you eventually cash the bonds. I ended up consulting with a tax professional because the numbers were significant enough to make a real difference in our overall tax situation. The whole process is definitely more complicated than it should be, but once you get the documentation sorted out, the actual tax calculations are pretty straightforward.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm just starting to deal with my grandmother's I-bonds and feeling completely overwhelmed. Quick question - when you mention getting the date-of-death values from TreasuryDirect, did they provide this as an official document that you could use for tax filing purposes? Or was it just verbal information that you had to document yourself? I'm worried about having proper documentation if I ever get audited, especially since some of these bonds go back over a decade. Also, did you end up including the interest on the final tax return or waiting until you cashed them out? I'm trying to figure out which approach makes more financial sense.

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This is a great question and the answers here are really helpful! I just wanted to add one important consideration that I learned the hard way - make sure to factor in your overall business income when planning these deductions. Section 179 is limited by your taxable business income for the year. So if your business doesn't have enough profit to absorb the full $28,900 Section 179 deduction, you won't be able to use it all in 2024 (though you can carry the unused portion forward). Bonus depreciation doesn't have this income limitation, but it also can't be carried forward if unused. So you really want to run the numbers on your expected 2024 business income before making the purchase. Also, since you mentioned you're putting $7k down and financing the rest, don't forget that the interest on the business portion of the loan is also deductible as a business expense (separate from the depreciation). Just make sure to keep good records showing the business use percentage if you ever use the truck for personal purposes. The timing really matters here - both for getting the higher 60% bonus depreciation rate in 2024 versus 40% in 2025, and for ensuring you place it in service before December 31st. Sounds like you're on the right track though!

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This is such valuable information! I hadn't even considered the business income limitation for Section 179 - that could definitely impact my planning. My construction business had a really good year, so I should be able to absorb the full deduction, but it's definitely something to verify with my books before making the purchase. The point about bonus depreciation not being able to carry forward is huge too. That means if I don't have enough taxable income to benefit from it in 2024, I'd completely lose that opportunity. One follow-up question - when you say "taxable business income," does that mean my net profit after all other business expenses? Or is it calculated differently? I want to make sure I'm running the right numbers before I commit to this purchase. Also, great reminder about the loan interest being separately deductible! Every little bit helps when you're making a big purchase like this.

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Omar Fawaz

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Yes, "taxable business income" for Section 179 purposes means your net profit from the business after all other deductions - basically what would be subject to tax. For sole proprietors, this is the profit shown on Schedule C. For partnerships and S-corps, it's your share of the business income. The key thing is that Section 179 can't create or increase a business loss. So if your business shows a $10,000 profit after all other expenses, you can only use $10,000 of Section 179 deduction in that year, even if the limit allows for much more. Here's a practical tip: run your numbers both ways before deciding. Sometimes it might make more sense to take less Section 179 and more bonus depreciation, especially if your income varies year to year. Bonus depreciation isn't limited by business income and can actually create or increase a business loss that you might be able to use against other income. Also, don't forget that if you're married filing jointly, you can potentially use Section 179 against your spouse's income too, which gives you more flexibility. Just make sure to discuss all this with your tax pro before making the final purchase decision!

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation - looking at a heavy duty work truck for my landscaping business before year-end. One thing I wanted to add that hasn't been mentioned yet is the importance of timing your purchase if you're near the phase-out thresholds. The Section 179 deduction starts to phase out if you place more than $3,050,000 in qualifying property into service in 2024. For most small businesses this isn't an issue, but if you've made other major equipment purchases this year, it's worth double-checking. Also, I learned from my accountant that if you're considering multiple vehicle purchases, the $28,900 SUV limit under Section 179 applies per vehicle, not per business. So if you buy two qualifying heavy trucks, you could potentially use Section 179 on up to $57,800 total ($28,900 each), then apply bonus depreciation to the remaining basis on both. The depreciation strategy can get pretty complex when you're dealing with multiple assets, so definitely worth running the scenarios with a tax professional before making any major purchases. But for a single heavy duty truck like yours, the math seems pretty straightforward based on the great explanations in this thread!

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Miguel Ramos

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Thanks for mentioning the per-vehicle limit on Section 179! That's really helpful to know. I'm actually just planning on the one heavy duty truck purchase for now, but it's good to understand how it would work if I expand my fleet later. The phase-out threshold is definitely something I need to check. I did buy some other equipment this year - a new excavator and some smaller tools - so I should add up all my qualifying property purchases to make sure I'm not getting close to that $3,050,000 limit. Probably not an issue for my size business, but better to be safe. One question about the timing - if I order the truck in December but it doesn't get delivered until early January, would that still qualify for 2024 deductions? Or does it have to actually be in my possession and "placed in service" before December 31st? The dealer is saying delivery might be tight given the year-end rush everyone seems to be making for tax purposes.

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Andre Moreau

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12 Has anyone used the simplified method for home office deduction instead of depreciation for the business portion? I'm using about 15% of my house for my business and wondering if the $5 per square foot method is better than tracking actual expenses and depreciation.

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Andre Moreau

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19 I've used both methods and found that the actual expense method (including depreciation) usually results in a higher deduction, especially if you live in an area with high property values. The simplified method is capped at 300 square feet, so maximum $1,500 deduction. If your office is larger or your property expensive, actual expenses often give you more.

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One thing to keep in mind with rental property depreciation is the depreciation recapture rules when you eventually sell. The IRS requires you to "recapture" depreciation you've claimed (or should have claimed) as ordinary income up to 25% when you sell the property, even if you have capital gains treatment on the rest. This means keeping good records of all your depreciation deductions is crucial. If you don't claim depreciation you're entitled to, the IRS still treats it as if you did for recapture purposes - so you lose the current tax benefit but still owe the recapture tax later. For your mixed-use situation, make sure you're tracking the depreciation separately for the rental portion vs business portion, as they may have different recapture implications. The business portion might qualify for Section 1231 treatment depending on how long you hold the property.

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Liam Brown

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This is such an important point that I wish more people understood! I made the mistake of not claiming depreciation on my first rental property for two years because I thought it would help me avoid recapture taxes later. When I finally learned about the "should have claimed" rule, I realized I was getting the worst of both worlds - missing out on current deductions but still owing recapture tax. Do you know if there's a way to catch up on missed depreciation without filing amended returns? I've heard about Form 3115 but I'm not sure if that applies to rental properties or just business assets.

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