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One thing nobody mentioned - if you're doing renovations before renting, keep EXTREMELY detailed records of everything. Take before and after photos of all work done. I got audited last year specifically on my rental property improvements and had to prove which were repairs vs capital improvements. The difference in tax treatment is huge.
What counts as "detailed records"? I've been keeping receipts but not much else. Should I be doing more?
Receipts are a good start, but you should also note exactly what each expense was for. Create a spreadsheet that categorizes everything as either a repair or improvement. Take dated photos before, during, and after major work. Keep copies of contracts with any contractors. For example, don't just have a receipt that says "bathroom work - $3,500." Have documentation showing it was a complete bathroom remodel with new fixtures, tile, etc. This makes it clear it's a capital improvement rather than a repair. The IRS can get very picky about what qualifies as an immediate deduction versus what must be depreciated.
Has anyone used TurboTax for reporting rental property? I've used it for years for my personal taxes but never for a rental. Not sure if it can handle all the depreciation and improvement tracking properly.
Just a simple example that helped me understand depreciation recapture: Say you buy a rental for $200k (with land worth $40k). You can depreciate $160k (building only) over 27.5 years = about $5,818/year. You own it for 5 years, claiming $29,090 total in depreciation. You sell for $220k. Most people think: I bought at $200k, sold at $220k, so my profit is $20k. IRS thinks: Your adjusted basis is $200k - $29,090 = $170,910. Your total gain is $220k - $170,910 = $49,090. Of that gain, $29,090 is depreciation recapture (taxed up to 25%) and $20k is capital gain (taxed at lower capital gains rates). This is why you pay tax on more than just the $20k difference between buying and selling prices.
Thanks for this breakdown - super helpful! Quick question: If I sell a rental after owning for the full 27.5 years, would I still have depreciation recapture? Or would it be fully depreciated at that point?
If you sell after the full 27.5 years, you would still have depreciation recapture, but it would be on the entire depreciable amount of the building. After 27.5 years, your basis in the building portion would be $0 (assuming no improvements were made along the way). So if you sold, all of the building portion of your sale price would be subject to depreciation recapture at the 25% rate. The land portion would be calculated separately as a capital gain. Many investors avoid this recapture tax by doing 1031 exchanges into new properties, which allows you to defer both the capital gains tax and the depreciation recapture tax. However, this is just deferring the tax - not eliminating it completely.
Does anyone know if you can avoid depreciation recapture if you convert your rental back to a primary residence before selling? I've heard conflicting things about this.
Unfortunately, converting to a primary residence doesn't help with depreciation recapture. You'll still have to pay recapture tax on ALL depreciation taken while it was a rental. The primary residence conversion can help with capital gains (you might qualify for the $250k/$500k exclusion), but the IRS specifically requires recapture of depreciation regardless of the property's status when you sell. The only way to avoid recapture is with a 1031 exchange into another investment property, but that just defers it - you'll face recapture eventually when you finally sell without exchanging.
Something nobody's mentioned yet - if you owe $28k, make sure you're aware of the different payment plan options. For amounts over $25k, you typically need to provide additional financial information and the approval process takes longer. If you can get your balance under $25k (by making a partial payment), you can qualify for a streamlined installment agreement which is much faster to set up. Just something to consider while you're waiting for the official details.
This is really helpful - I had no idea there was a threshold at $25k! Do you think I should try to pay $3k now to get under that limit? Would that speed things up or just complicate the application I already submitted?
Making a payment to get under the $25k threshold would definitely help speed things up. The streamlined process is much simpler and typically processes faster. It won't complicate your existing application - the IRS will just see that you've made a payment and recalculate your plan based on the new balance. Just make sure you use Direct Pay on the IRS website and select the correct tax year and reason for payment (installment agreement request). A $3k payment now would also save you quite a bit in penalties and interest over time.
Has anyone used the IRS2Go app for this kind of situation? I heard you can make payments through it even if your payment plan isn't finalized yet.
Yes! The IRS2Go app is actually really good for making payments. It links directly to IRS Direct Pay and the other payment processors. I used it last year when I was in a similar situation and it worked perfectly. The interface is much easier than navigating the main IRS website.
Don't overthink this. I've done private loans for three different properties. The key is documentation, documentation, documentation. Make sure your loan has: - Clear terms written down and signed by both parties - A reasonable interest rate (even if it's very low) - A defined repayment schedule - Regular payments that you can track If it's a family member, be aware of gift tax rules. If they're charging no interest or below-market rates, there could be some imputed interest issues as others mentioned.
What exactly counts as "reasonable" interest? My parents want to charge me 1% interest on a house loan which is obviously way below market rate. Is that going to be a problem?
The IRS publishes what's called the Applicable Federal Rate (AFR) each month, which is the minimum interest rate they consider legitimate for loans. These rates are typically lower than commercial rates. For example, as of last month, the long-term AFR (for loans over 9 years) was around 3-4%. If your loan charges less than the applicable AFR, the IRS might "impute" interest, meaning they treat the loan as if it charged the minimum rate even if it doesn't.
Has anyone actually been audited over a private loan? I borrowed $200k from my grandparents for my house last year and we didn't create any formal paperwork because, well, they're my grandparents. Now I'm worried...
Without proper documentation, the IRS could potentially reclassify that $200k as a gift rather than a loan, which could have significant consequences. The annual gift tax exclusion is only $17,000 per person (as of 2023), so amounts beyond that would count against your grandparents' lifetime gift/estate tax exemption.
Nasira Ibanez
One thing to consider with these lead fee arrangements is whether the fee is truly for lead generation or if it's a revenue split. The distinction matters for tax reporting. True lead generation fees (where you pay for being connected to a client) are service payments requiring a 1099. But if you're operating under a revenue-sharing agreement where they're essentially a partner in the business relationship, the reporting requirements might differ. I learned this the hard way when the IRS questioned our reporting of fees that were actually structured as commission splits. Worth looking at the exact language in your agreement.
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Shelby Bauman
ā¢That's a really good point I hadn't considered. Looking back at our contract, it specifically describes the fee as "payment for client acquisition services" rather than a revenue share. Would that language definitely make it a service requiring a 1099?
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Nasira Ibanez
ā¢Based on that contract language, yes, it would most likely be considered a payment for services that requires a 1099. When the contract specifically calls it "payment for client acquisition services," the IRS would typically view that as you purchasing a service from them. If it were structured as a revenue split or commission arrangement, the contract would usually contain language about "shared revenue" or "commission splits" and might include different terms about the business relationship. The specific language in contracts really matters when determining tax reporting requirements, so you're on the right track focusing on those exact terms.
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Khalil Urso
Am I the only one who's CPA handles all this? š I just forward these types of questions to my accountant and they figure it out. Last year we had like 17 different lead generators and marketing partners with various fee structures and my CPA sorted it all out.
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Myles Regis
ā¢Not everyone can afford a CPA, especially small businesses just starting out. I do my own taxes to save money and questions like this are really important for DIY tax filers.
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Khalil Urso
ā¢That's a fair point. I didn't mean to sound dismissive. I started doing my own taxes too but switched to a CPA once these business relationships got complicated. For DIY filers, I think the main thing is documenting everything clearly - get those W-9s from anyone you pay, track all payments meticulously, and maybe consider investing in good accounting software that flags when you need to issue 1099s. The peace of mind is worth it, even if you're handling tax filing yourself.
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