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Two quick tips from someone who's been self-employed for 12 years: 1) Pay what you can now to stop the penalty clock from ticking. The IRS penalty is essentially an interest charge, and it keeps accumulating until you pay. 2) For 2025, consider making small "good faith" payments each quarter even if you're not sure of the exact amount. The IRS looks more favorably on people who make an effort to comply, even if the amounts aren't perfect.
Does making those "good faith" payments actually work though? Like, do they really care about the effort or do they just calculate the penalties strictly by the numbers?
In my experience, making good faith payments absolutely helps. While the penalties are calculated mathematically, having a history of attempting to comply can help if you ever need to request penalty abatement. The IRS has a First Time Penalty Abatement policy that's easier to qualify for if you show a pattern of trying to comply. The other practical benefit is psychological - making regular smaller payments is much less painful than facing a huge tax bill plus penalties all at once. Even if you underpay somewhat each quarter, you're still reducing the base amount that penalties are calculated on, which saves money in the long run.
Has anyone used TurboTax to handle this situation? I'm in the same boat (missed estimated payments for my side business) and wondering if the software can help with the 2210 calculations or if I need to go to a professional.
TurboTax Self-Employed can handle Form 2210, but it's not great at explaining the annualized income method. I used it last year and still ended up confused about whether I was doing it right. If your situation is straightforward it might be fine, but with variable income throughout the year, I'd recommend getting some help.
One thing to consider is that if you sell items for LESS than you paid for them originally (which is almost certainly the case with used clothing), there's no profit to tax. Personal items sold at a loss aren't taxable. The 1099-K just reports the gross amount you received - it doesn't mean that whole amount is taxable. Think of it like selling your used car for less than you paid - no taxes owed even though it might be a significant amount of money.
But how do you PROVE you sold for less than you paid when you don't have receipts for clothes you bought years ago? Seems like the IRS could just assume it was all profit.
You don't necessarily need original receipts. The IRS understands that people don't keep receipts for clothing purchases from years ago. You can make reasonable estimates based on the type and brand of clothing. For example, if you sold a Nike hoodie for $30, you could reasonably estimate you paid $60-70 for it new. Document your estimates in a spreadsheet with descriptions of each item. The burden of proof for personal items sold casually isn't as high as for business inventory. Just be reasonable and consistent in your approach.
Has anyone else noticed that these marketplaces are counting shipping fees in the 1099-K total? So unfair because that money just passes through to the shipping company!
Have you considered asking your grandparents to set up an installment sale? This can be really tax-efficient for both sides. They can spread out any capital gains over multiple years instead of getting hit all at once, and you don't have to worry about gift tax implications. You'd basically set up a private mortgage where you pay them monthly over time (with interest - the IRS requires at least their minimum rate). The advantage is you can set this up with a very small down payment if cash flow is tight as a student. Property taxes still might get reassessed though, depending on your state. But this approach often feels more like a "real" transaction to everyone involved rather than a gift.
Doesn't this still require them to charge market rate interest though? And wouldn't the OP still need to qualify for the mortgage with their limited student income? I'm curious how this would work practically.
The IRS only requires what's called the Applicable Federal Rate (AFR) for family loans, which is typically much lower than market mortgage rates - sometimes less than half. In January 2025, the long-term AFR is only around 3.4% while market mortgage rates are over 6%. Regarding qualification, that's the beauty of a private family loan - there's no formal qualification process like with a bank. The grandparents can set whatever terms they're comfortable with based on their knowledge of the grandchild's situation and future earning potential. Many families set up lower payments during school years with a balloon adjustment after graduation when income increases. The biggest tax advantage is that the grandparents can spread any capital gains across multiple years rather than recognizing it all in one tax year, potentially keeping them in a lower tax bracket. Meanwhile, the grandchild can still deduct the mortgage interest just like with a traditional mortgage.
Has anyone mentioned the step-up in basis consideration? If your grandparents are quite elderly (sorry to be blunt), it might actually be more tax-efficient for them to keep the property until they pass away. When property transfers through inheritance, it gets a "step-up" in basis to the fair market value at date of death, which eliminates all the built-up capital gains. This could save tens or even hundreds of thousands in taxes compared to a gift or below-market sale during their lifetime. It's a morbid calculation, but sometimes the most tax-efficient transfer method is through an estate. You could potentially rent the property from them in the meantime if you want to live there.
Couldn't they just use a life estate deed? That way the grandparents retain the right to live in the property until death, but ownership transfers automatically at death - getting the step-up in basis benefit while still guaranteeing the property goes to the grandchild?
A life estate deed is definitely worth considering, but it has some limitations. While it does allow for the step-up in basis at death and avoids probate, there are a few important considerations: The grandparents in this case don't actually live in the property (OP mentioned it's their "2nd house"), so a traditional life estate might not make sense. Instead, they might consider a remainder interest deed with retained right of sale, which would still provide the step-up in basis while giving them flexibility. Another potential issue is that creating a life estate now could trigger gift tax consequences on the remainder interest (the portion effectively being given to the grandchild). The IRS has specific formulas to calculate the present value of that remainder interest based on the life expectant's age. Also worth noting that with a life estate, the original owners can't sell or mortgage the property without the remainder beneficiary's consent, which may or may not be desirable depending on the grandparents' future needs.
One other thing to consider - if you're claiming your parents as dependents, make sure you're keeping good records of how you're supporting them! My sister got audited last year after claiming our mom (similar situation, only SS income). The IRS wanted proof she provided >50% of support. She had to show rent payments, utility bills, grocery receipts, medical expenses, etc. Just having them live with you isn't enough documentation alone!
Just double check that your parents aren't required to file for other reasons! My dad was in a similar situation but forgot he had sold some stock that year (literally like $200 worth) and that triggered a filing requirement even though his Social Security wasn't taxable. The IRS computers automatically cross-reference all those 1099 forms so they'll know if there's any additional income. Better to check thoroughly than get a surprise letter later!
This happened to my grandma too! She had like $20 in dividend income from some ancient account she forgot about and it caused such a headache with the IRS. They're really strict about everything being reported properly.
QuantumQuasar
I used to work in payroll and this sounds like your employer is having cash flow problems. They're essentially using your first check of the month as an interest-free loan. They don't withhold taxes so they can pay you the full amount, then they catch up on the withholding with the second check when (presumably) they have more cash on hand to cover payroll AND tax remittance. Super sketchy and definitely not proper payroll practice. The overtime issue is a separate and clear violation. Document everything! If they're cutting corners on payroll, they might not be remitting those withheld taxes to the government either, which can cause YOU problems down the road.
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Dylan Mitchell
ā¢Wait, how could this cause ME problems if they don't remit the taxes they're withholding? I thought once it's withheld from my check, it's their responsibility to send it to the IRS? Could I end up owing those taxes again?
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QuantumQuasar
ā¢If your W-2 at the end of the year shows that taxes were withheld but the company never actually sent those funds to the IRS, you could potentially face issues. The IRS will expect those tax payments based on what's reported on your W-2. While you can prove the withholding through your paystubs, it creates a complicated situation where you might initially appear delinquent on tax payments. It's one of those situations where you'd eventually get it sorted out, but it can cause significant headaches, potential notices from the IRS, and time spent proving that the withholding occurred. In extreme cases of employer fraud, employees sometimes have to file Form 8919 (Uncollected Social Security and Medicare Tax on Wages) to properly report and pay these taxes that should have been handled by the employer.
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Keisha Jackson
Has anyone considered that this might be a "semi-monthly" pay schedule rather than biweekly? With semi-monthly, you get paid twice a month (like on the 15th and last day of month) regardless of weekdays, while biweekly is every two weeks (26 paychecks per year). The amount per check would be more consistent with semi-monthly, and some payroll systems handle withholding differently for the two checks in a semi-monthly system. Still doesn't excuse the lack of proper paystubs or overtime pay though.
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Paolo Moretti
ā¢That's actually a good point. My company does semi-monthly (5th and 20th) and the first check of the month has different withholding than the second. But we definitely get paystubs for both! And they certainly pay overtime when applicable. The real red flag to me is the missing paystub - that's not legal anywhere I know of.
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