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Just to offer a somewhat different perspective - I'm a dermatologist with a similar practice structure (though smaller gross at about $1.5M), and I took a more conservative approach after discussion with my tax advisor. I actually increased my salary from $210K to $275K specifically to avoid potential issues. Yes, I'm paying more in payroll taxes, but the peace of mind is worth it. We calculated that if I were audited and forced to reclassify distributions as wages retroactively, the penalties and interest would far exceed the tax savings. One important factor is that as a dermatologist, your personal services are the primary value driver. My advisor pointed out that the IRS is particularly attentive to professional service S-Corps where almost all revenue is generated through the shareholder's personal expertise and reputation.
Interesting approach! What portion of your total compensation (salary plus distributions) does your $275K salary represent? I'm trying to figure out if there's a reasonable percentage that's generally considered safe.
My total compensation breaks down to about $275K salary and $180K in distributions, so my salary represents about 60% of my total compensation. My tax advisor said there's no magic percentage that's automatically "safe," but that the higher the percentage of your total compensation that comes as salary, the less likely you are to face scrutiny. He did mention that for medical specialists, keeping salary at least 50-60% of total compensation is a good starting point, but it really depends on all those factors others have mentioned - including local market rates for your specialty, your experience level, hours worked, and practice complexity. Every situation is unique, which is why documentation of how you arrived at your number is so important.
Has anyone here actually been through an S-Corp reasonable compensation audit? I'm curious what that process was like and what documentation they wanted to see. My accountant keeps warning me about it but can't give me specific examples.
I went through one 2 years ago for my orthopedic practice. It was intense. They wanted EVERYTHING - industry salary surveys, time logs showing how many hours I worked, documentation of my education/experience, compensation data for other doctors in my practice, historical salary info, etc. The most helpful thing was having a formal reasonable compensation study we'd done when setting up the practice. The auditor still adjusted my salary up somewhat (from $280K to $320K), but accepted most of our position because we had documentation showing how we arrived at our numbers. Without that study, I suspect they would have reclassified all my distributions.
Just an FYI, you should also check state laws. In my state, we had to register with the state unemployment agency and pay unemployment insurance for our parent's caregiver. Each state has different requirements beyond the federal stuff.
This is such an important point! I didn't do this for my mother's helper and got hit with a surprise bill from my state's department of labor. They actually found out when the caregiver applied for unemployment after my mom passed away.
One option nobody mentioned - maybe look into hiring the caregiver through an agency instead of directly? We did this for my grandfather and while it cost a bit more, the agency handled ALL the employment taxes, paperwork, background checks, scheduling, etc. They were the employer, not us. When we calculated how much time we were spending on managing all the tax and paperwork requirements, plus the stress of worrying about misclassification, the agency fee was totally worth it. Plus they handled finding replacements when the regular caregiver was sick or needed time off.
I think everyone is overlooking a key detail - the correction needs to be removed FROM THE PLAN by April 15, not just requested. Sending emails today won't help if the actual distribution doesn't happen by the deadline. You're unfortunately going to have to deal with the tax consequences.
That's actually incorrect. According to IRS regulations, the deadline is for notifying the plan administrator, not completing the distribution. The regulation specifically states: "If the employee notifies the plan of the excess by April 15, the excess amount is not subject to double taxation." The actual distribution typically takes several weeks to process, but as long as the request is made by the deadline, the participant is considered compliant.
I work in benefits administration and handle these cases regularly. You're right that the notification deadline is April 15, not the distribution completion deadline - that was my mistake. What I should have clarified is that proper documentation of the notification is crucial. An email might work, but some plan administrators require specific forms to be submitted. The safest approach is to follow up with both administrators on Monday and ask them to confirm the appropriate procedure while referencing your weekend emails as initial notification.
Anyone know how the taxes work on the returned excess? Like does it just get added to your income for the current tax year?
The excess contribution amount gets added to your taxable income for the year you receive the distribution (so this current tax year, not last year). The earnings portion is also taxable in the current year. You'll get a 1099-R form showing the distribution. The good news is you avoid the 6% excess contribution penalty this way. The returned amount is technically taxed twice (once when contributed, once when distributed), but that's still better than the 6% penalty repeating every year until fixed.
Something that tripped me up with my 1042-S last year - make sure you check if you need to file Form 8833 to claim treaty benefits! If your university already applied a treaty exemption on your 1042-S (check Box 3 and 4 on your form), you might need to file this additional form with your return to properly report the treaty position. Also double check your withholding on the 1042-S. Many universities withhold at 30% if they don't have proper documentation, which could be way higher than your actual tax rate. You'll get this back as a refund when you file, but it's good to know what to expect.
Thank you so much for mentioning Form 8833! I just checked my 1042-S and they did apply a treaty benefit (there's something in Box 3 and 4). Will that form be available in regular tax software or do I need something special to file it?
Most major tax software packages like TurboTax, H&R Block, and TaxSlayer have Form 8833 available, but you might need to specifically search for it as it's not always included in the standard interview process. Some of the free filing options might not include this form. When you complete Form 8833, you'll need to reference the specific treaty article that applies to your situation. This information should be mentioned on your 1042-S in Box 13j typically. You'll also need to provide a brief explanation of the treaty benefit you're claiming. Don't worry too much about the technical language - just clearly state what type of income is covered (scholarship, fellowship, etc.) and which country's treaty applies to you.
Quick tip from someone who's dealt with 1042-S forms for the past 3 years - the extension you filed covers everything on your personal return (including 1042-S income), but double check that you don't also need to file Form 8843 if you're a nonresident alien or were one during part of the tax year! That form has a different deadline and isn't automatically extended with Form 4868.
Is that form 8843 required even if you're just getting a small amount on a 1042-S? I got one for a $500 prize from a contest but I'm a US citizen. Do i still need that form?
Emily Nguyen-Smith
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you consider the operational aspects of this conversion. When I combined my businesses under one entity, I had to deal with: 1. New EIN application 2. New business bank accounts 3. Updated merchant services agreements 4. Updating all vendor/supplier contracts 5. Notifying customers 6. Updating licenses and permits 7. New accounting system setup The tax part is important, but the operational transition can be just as challenging. Give yourself at least 3-4 months to get everything switched over properly.
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Ryder Ross
ā¢This is super helpful! I didn't even think about the merchant services agreements. Do you have any recommendations for handling the transition period? Did you run both the old and new entities simultaneously for a while, or was it a clean cutover?
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Emily Nguyen-Smith
ā¢I did a phased approach where I ran both simultaneously for about 2 months. I set January 1st as my official transition date for tax purposes, but started setting up the new entity and accounts about 3 months prior. For merchant services, that was actually one of the trickier parts. Some processors treated it as a brand new business application despite having the same owner, which meant new rates and terms. I had better luck explaining it as a "restructuring" rather than a new business. Keep your processing statements handy to show history. I'd suggest creating a detailed timeline working backward from your target date. Also, create an entity-specific email address for all the new accounts rather than using a personal email - keeps everything organized during the transition.
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James Johnson
Has anyone here actually gone through the process of combining multiple sole proprietorships into a single S-corp? I'd love to hear about specific tax forms beyond just the 2553 that were needed.
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Sophia Rodriguez
ā¢I did this last year. Beyond Form 2553 for the S-election, you'll need: - SS-4 for your new EIN - Form 8832 if you're forming an LLC first and then electing S-corp status - Schedule D for each Schedule C business you're closing to report any asset transfers - Form 4562 for depreciable assets being transferred The trickiest part was making sure I properly documented the value of all business assets transferred to the new entity. The IRS can be picky about this if you're audited.
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James Johnson
ā¢Thanks for the detailed response! That's really helpful. Did you handle the valuation of your business assets yourself or did you need to get professional appraisals? I'm worried about undervaluing things and causing problems down the road. Also, did you create a formal business plan for the new entity? I've heard that can help if there are ever questions about business purpose for the reorganization.
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