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Don't forget that when you take the Standard Deduction, you CANNOT also itemize deductions on the same return. It's either/or, not both. I learned this after trying to claim both my $12,400 standard deduction AND my mortgage interest and charitable donations. Tax software flagged it as an error. You have to pick whichever gives you the bigger tax break. For most people, the Standard Deduction is higher than their itemized deductions would be, which is why like 90% of taxpayers take the Standard Deduction now.
There are some exceptions to this though! Even if you take the standard deduction, you can still deduct things like student loan interest, IRA contributions, self-employment taxes, and health insurance premiums if you're self-employed. These are called "above-the-line" deductions and they work differently.
Absolutely right! Those "above-the-line" deductions reduce your Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) directly and you can claim them regardless of whether you take the Standard Deduction or itemize. This is why tax terminology is so confusing for beginners - there are "deductions" that aren't affected by the Standard Deduction vs. itemizing choice. Thanks for pointing that out!
Honestly I didn't understand the standard deduction until I actually did my taxes for the first time. TaxAct software asked if I wanted to "itemize" and showed me what items would qualify. My donations were like $600, and I had some small work expenses maybe $1000, and the software straight up told me "these don't add up to more than the standard deduction so you should take the standard deduction." Made the decision super easy.
Are both loans actually mortgages? Or is one a home equity line of credit? Also, is the employer loan being reported as some kind of benefit on your W-2? Sometimes employer loans come with benefits that might be taxable which could offset the interest deduction.
Both are definitely mortgages - we used them simultaneously to purchase the home (one conventional loan and one through the employer's first-time homebuyer assistance program). The employer loan doesn't show up anywhere on the W-2, it's a completely separate arrangement with its own 1098. I'm wondering if it's because the employer loan has a much lower interest rate (2.5% compared to 3.25% on the main mortgage), and that's somehow affecting the overall calculation? Could a lower rate on the second mortgage somehow reduce the total benefit?
That's interesting. Even with the lower rate, more interest should still be more deduction. The fact that it's an employer loan makes me think there might be some fringe benefit taxation going on behind the scenes. Check if the interest rate on the employer loan is below market rate. If it is (which 2.5% would likely qualify as), the IRS can consider the difference between your rate and the market rate as taxable income - essentially treating the below-market rate as a benefit from your employer. This "imputed income" might be what's reducing your refund when you add the second 1098.
Has anyone checked if the AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) is getting triggered? I had something similar happen where adding more deductions actually increased my AMT liability which offset the benefit. Worth checking that section of your return.
This is a really good point. AMT can definitely cause this kind of counterintuitive result. The software should tell you if AMT is being applied though - there's usually an AMT worksheet or form that appears.
To add to the discussion about blank Box 2a values - always check if the "Taxable amount not determined" box is checked on the 1099-R. If it is, the plan administrator is telling you they don't know the taxable portion and you need to calculate it. With distribution code 7, it's generally fully taxable unless there's after-tax contributions (basis). For code 3 (disability), it's typically fully taxable but depends on how benefits were funded. Also, don't forget to check if the "Total distribution" box is checked. This can affect how you report certain distributions, especially for lump-sum distributions that might qualify for special tax treatment.
What's the Form 8606 got to do with all this? I've heard you need to file that form for some retirement distributions but I'm not sure when it's required.
Form 8606 is crucial when dealing with nondeductible IRAs or Roth conversions. You'll need to file Form 8606 if your client made nondeductible contributions to traditional IRAs (to track basis), received distributions from traditional, SEP, or SIMPLE IRAs and has basis in any traditional IRA, or converted amounts from traditional/SEP/SIMPLE IRAs to a Roth IRA. If your client has made nondeductible contributions to traditional IRAs in the past, you'll need Form 8606 to determine the taxable portion of any distribution using the pro-rata rule. Without this form, the IRS might assume the entire distribution is taxable, even if part of it represents a return of already-taxed contributions.
Has anyone used the IRS worksheet for calculating taxable amounts of IRA distributions? I'm looking at Publication 590-B but its kinda confusing me with all the different worksheets.
Pub 590-B has separate worksheets depending on the type of distribution. For regular distributions, use Worksheet 1-1. For Roth distributions, use Worksheet 2-1 to determine if it's qualified. For figuring the taxable part of non-qualified Roth distributions, use Worksheet 2-2. The key is knowing which worksheet applies to your situation.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if your tuition was paid from an RESP, make sure you've also properly reported any RESP income on your return! You should have received a T4A slip with box 42 showing the Educational Assistance Payments (EAPs) from the RESP. The EAPs are taxable income to you (the student), not your parents. This might be part of why your refund changed - you might have added income without realizing it.
Thanks for mentioning this! I did get a T4A with the RESP payments in box 42 and included that when I first started my return. So my refund calculation already included that taxable income. I think what happened is exactly what the first commenter explained - the tuition credits reduced my tax payable, which affected my refund calculation. I'm going to look into transferring some of the credits to my parents since they're in a higher tax bracket anyway.
That's good that you already included the T4A! Then yes, what's happening is just the normal tax calculation with the tuition credits. If your parents are in a higher tax bracket, transferring the maximum allowable amount to them probably makes the most sense for your family overall. Just remember you can only transfer after using what you need to zero out your own federal tax, and the maximum transferable is $5,000 of the federal amount.
Canadian accounting student here! Just to add some clarity about what's happening with your refund calculation: When you only had your T4/T4A entered, the system calculated your tax payable based on that income, then subtracted what you'd already paid through payroll deductions, resulting in your refund. Once you added the T2202A, the system applied those tuition credits to reduce your tax payable, but this happens BEFORE calculating your refund. So essentially, some of those credits are "using up" refund room that was previously being returned to you in cash.
Would it be illegal to just not include the T2202A form? Since it makes the refund lower?
Logan Stewart
Just to add another perspective here - I'm a tax preparer who works with a lot of transportation industry clients. The special rule for transportation workers is legitimate but often overlooked. If you're subject to DOT hours-of-service limits (which most commercial truck drivers are), you can still deduct meal expenses while away from home overnight. This is one of the few remaining employee business expenses that survived the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act changes. For 2024 (filing in 2025), you can claim 50% of the standard meal per diem rate for the locations you traveled to. Keep a log of your overnight locations and dates - you don't necessarily need every receipt if you use the per diem method. The current per diem rate for meals and incidentals in most US locations is $59 per day (so you can deduct $29.50 per day), but it's higher in high-cost areas. These deductions go on Form 2106 and flow to Schedule 1.
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Isaac Wright
ā¢Thanks so much for this detailed info! So to clarify - for my regular daily routes where I'm not staying overnight, those meal expenses aren't deductible at all, right? It's only when I'm on those multi-day out-of-state trips where I have to stay in hotels?
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Logan Stewart
ā¢That's correct. The deduction only applies when you're away from your "tax home" (your regular work location) overnight or long enough that you need sleep or rest to properly perform your duties. Your daily local routes with just lunch expenses wouldn't qualify, even if you're on the road all day. Only the meals during those out-of-state trips where you stay in hotels would potentially qualify for the deduction. And remember, you can only deduct 50% of the allowable meal expenses.
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Mikayla Brown
Is anyone using any particular app to track their locations and meals for this deduction? I'm a long-haul driver and trying to be better organized for next tax season.
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Sean Matthews
ā¢I use Stride. It's free and lets you track mileage and expenses. You can categorize each expense and add photos of receipts. It also shows you the per diem rates for different locations. I've been using it for 2 years now and it makes tax time way easier.
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