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I'm really confused by all this ERTC amendment stuff... My CPA told me the reduction should only be for the refundable portion, not the nonrefundable part. But now I'm reading conflicting advice here. Does anyone have an actual IRS reference that clarifies this?

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Your CPA is incorrect. According to IRS Notice 2021-20, the wage expense deduction must be reduced by the FULL amount of the ERTC (both refundable and nonrefundable). Specifically, section III.L of the notice addresses this. The rule prevents a double tax benefit (getting both the credit AND the deduction for the same wages).

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NebulaNinja

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I went through this exact same situation with my S-Corp last year and can confirm what others have said - you need to reduce wage expenses by the FULL ERTC amount (both refundable and nonrefundable portions), excluding any interest received. The key thing to remember is that the ERTC is essentially the government reimbursing you for wages you paid, so you can't also deduct those same wages as a business expense. It would be double-dipping. For your $87k in 2020 and $112k in 2021 refunds, make sure you separate out any interest portion before calculating the wage expense reduction. The interest is taxable income but doesn't affect the wage deduction adjustment. One heads up - this will create a significant increase in your pass-through income, which means additional personal tax liability when you amend your 1040s. With amounts that large, you might want to consider making estimated payments to avoid underpayment penalties. The amendment process can take several months, so plan accordingly for the cash flow impact.

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This is really helpful, thank you! I'm new to dealing with ERTC amendments and the double-dipping concept makes total sense now. Quick question - when you say "separate out any interest portion," how do you identify that on the refund documentation? My refund checks just show the total amounts, and I want to make sure I'm calculating the wage expense reduction correctly.

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Caleb Bell

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Good question! The interest portion should be detailed on the IRS Notice CP49 or similar notice that accompanied your refund. If you don't have that documentation, you can also call the IRS at their Business & Specialty Tax Line to get a breakdown of principal vs. interest amounts. Generally, if your ERTC refund came more than 45 days after filing, there's likely some interest included. The interest amount will be reported to you on Form 1099-INT for tax purposes, but it doesn't reduce your wage expense adjustment - only the actual credit amount does. For your amendments, use the full credit amount (excluding interest) to reduce your wage expenses on lines 7/8 of Form 1120S. The interest gets reported as "other income" on your business return but doesn't affect the wage deduction calculation.

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My accountant always tells me to focus on the "ordinary and necessary" test for business expenses rather than just the timing. If this conference is ordinary and necessary for your business type, the IRS is less likely to question it regardless of when you deduct it. Just make sure you have good documentation showing how it relates to your business - things like the conference agenda, notes you took, business cards you collected, etc. This has saved me multiple times during reviews.

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This is exactly the kind of timing question that trips up so many small business owners! The key thing to remember is that for most small businesses using cash accounting, you generally deduct expenses in the year you both pay for them AND receive the economic benefit. Since your conference is in September 2025 and you're not paying until then, that's clearly a 2025 deduction. Even if you had prepaid in 2024, the IRS could still argue the economic performance doesn't occur until you actually attend the conference. One thing I'd add to the great advice already given - consider keeping a simple spreadsheet of planned business expenses like this so you can do better tax planning for next year. Knowing you'll have that conference deduction in 2025 might influence other timing decisions you make with income and expenses. Also, don't forget that if you travel for the conference, those travel expenses (flights, hotels, 50% of meals) are also deductible business expenses for the same tax year as the conference itself.

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StarSeeker

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Don't forget there's also the "material participation" test for businesses. The IRS looks at whether you're actively involved in the operations on a regular, continuous, and substantial basis. For a side gig like yours, you'll want to keep good records of time spent working on your business. I track hours for my consulting work using a simple app. This helps support business classification if the IRS ever questions it.

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Ava Martinez

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I'm curious how many hours you need to qualify as "material participation"? Is there a specific number the IRS looks for? I only spend maybe 5-6 hours a week on my online business.

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StarSeeker

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There's no absolute minimum hour requirement, but one test for material participation is 500 hours per year (roughly 10 hours weekly). However, that's just one of seven possible tests. You can also qualify if your participation was "substantially all" the participation in the activity (meaning you did most of the work), or if you participated more than 100 hours and that was as much as anyone else. For most side businesses where you're the only person involved, you're likely meeting the material participation standard even at 5-6 hours weekly.

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Miguel Ortiz

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Friendly reminder that the business vs. hobby distinction isn't just about which one saves you more in taxes right now! If you genuinely have a profit motive and are running this as a business, you should file as a business even if it might cost more in taxes. Filing as a hobby when it's really a business can cause problems later if you get audited. Plus, business losses can sometimes offset other income, and you're building Social Security credits with self-employment taxes.

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Zainab Omar

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What about if you have losses for several years? I've been running my art business for 3 years and haven't turned a profit yet. Tax preparer said IRS might reclassify it as a hobby?

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Liam O'Connor

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Based on all the helpful discussion here, it sounds like you should be able to claim the credit since you're living there as your primary residence and paying for the improvement. However, I'd strongly recommend getting this confirmed in writing before making such a large purchase. One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that you might want to consider having a written agreement with your in-laws about the improvements you're making. Since you're essentially investing in their property, it could be beneficial to document that you have permission to make these improvements and that you're responsible for the costs. This could help support your tax credit claim and also protect your investment in case your living situation changes. Also, since you mentioned you'll be there for 2-3 years, make sure you understand what happens if you move before the system pays for itself through energy savings. The tax credit helps upfront, but you want to make sure the overall financial arrangement makes sense for your timeline.

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Maya Jackson

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Great point about getting written documentation! I'm actually dealing with something similar - living in my parents' rental property while they're overseas. My tax preparer suggested creating a simple letter signed by the property owners stating that I have permission to make improvements and that I'm responsible for the costs. This helps establish the legitimacy of claiming credits for improvements I pay for. Also totally agree about the timeline consideration. With heat pumps, the energy savings usually take 5-7 years to break even without the tax credit, but with the 30% federal credit it's more like 3-4 years. Since you're planning to be there 2-3 years, the tax credit really makes the difference in whether this investment makes financial sense for your situation.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! As someone who's been researching this exact situation, I want to add one more consideration that might be relevant. Since you're living in your in-laws' house under an informal arrangement, you might want to check if there are any gift tax implications if the total value of your improvements (including the heat pump) exceeds certain thresholds. The IRS might view substantial property improvements as gifts to the property owners, especially if there's no formal lease agreement. That said, for the heat pump specifically, the consensus here seems solid - you should be able to claim the 30% credit since it's your residence and you're paying for it. Just make sure to document everything thoroughly: receipts, manufacturer certifications, proof of residence (utility bills in your name, voter registration, etc.), and ideally that written agreement with your in-laws that others mentioned. One last tip: if you're planning other energy-efficient improvements during your time there (like insulation, windows, or a smart thermostat), you might be able to claim credits for those too under the 25C credit program, which covers up to $1,200 annually for various efficiency improvements.

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Ryan Andre

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Has anyone actually claimed this credit as a non-owner and gone through an audit successfully? I'm in a similar situation with my parents' property and getting conflicting info from different tax preparers.

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Lauren Zeb

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I did last year. Claimed the credit for solar panels on my sister's house where I was living. Got selected for a correspondence audit (just had to mail in documents, not a full audit). Sent utility bills showing my residency, proof I paid for installation, and manufacturer certification. Credit was approved without further questions.

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QuantumQuest

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I went through this exact situation two years ago when I installed a heat pump at my grandmother's house where I was living. The key thing that helped me was getting everything documented upfront - I made sure all the invoices were in my name, kept utility bills showing I lived there, and got a letter from my grandmother confirming I was responsible for the improvements. One thing I'd add to the great advice already given - consider having a written agreement with your in-laws about the improvements you're making. Even something informal can help establish that you're genuinely responsible for these costs as part of your living arrangement, not just doing them a favor. This could be helpful if the IRS ever asks questions about why a non-owner is claiming the credit. The 30% credit is substantial, so it's definitely worth pursuing if you meet the requirements. Just make sure you understand which components of your HVAC system qualify - the heat pump itself definitely does, but things like ductwork modifications might not.

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