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Something important that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you were taking the standard mileage rate for your vehicles rather than actual expenses, the rules are a bit different for reporting trade-ins. When using standard mileage, you're deemed to have claimed all depreciation allowed, which affects your basis calculation. This can create a larger taxable gain when you trade in or sell, even if you didn't explicitly calculate depreciation yourself. Also, don't forget that each of your vehicles had different business use percentages, which complicates the calculations further.
This is super confusing! So if I've been claiming standard mileage for my Uber driving, and I trade in my car, I might owe taxes even if I lost money on the trade-in? How do I figure out how much "deemed depreciation" I've taken if I never actually calculated it myself?
Exactly - you might owe taxes even if you took a loss on paper. The standard mileage rate includes a component for depreciation (it changes yearly but was about $0.27 per mile for 2023). The IRS considers you to have "taken" this depreciation whether you calculated it or not. To figure out your deemed depreciation, multiply your business miles each year by the depreciation component of the standard mileage rate for those years. Add these up for all years you've owned the vehicle. This total is subtracted from your original basis to get your adjusted basis, which is what you use to determine gain/loss.
Don't make this harder than it needs to be! The food delivery apps should have sent you a 1099-NEC or 1099-K showing your income. Just report that on Schedule C. For the vehicles, if youre using standard mileage, you just track miles and multiply by the rate (65.5 cents per mile for 2023). no need to worry about all this complicated trade-in stuff unless your accountant says so!!!!
That's completely wrong advice that could get the OP audited. Vehicle trade-ins for business assets absolutely need to be reported correctly. The standard mileage rate simplifies tracking expenses but doesn't eliminate the need to properly handle asset disposition. Please don't spread misinformation on tax matters if you're not certain.
Just wanted to add - make sure you look at your son's student account statement too, not just the 1098-T. Box 4 should correspond to something on his account. Check for any credits or adjustments that were processed in 2023 but affected his 2022 charges. Also, if your son received scholarships in 2022 that exceeded tuition, that excess might have been returned in 2023, which could explain the Box 4 amount. Were there any refunds to his bank account that you might not have known about?
Thanks for the suggestion! I actually did check his student portal but the transaction history only goes back 12 months. I'll have to request a complete statement from them. He didn't mention any refunds hitting his account, but it's totally possible something was processed that he didn't notice or understand was related to tuition. He had a small scholarship that only covered about 30% of his costs, but maybe there was some adjustment to that amount.
I work in a university billing office (not financial aid) and can tell you this happens all the time! When a student withdraws mid-year, there are often adjustments that happen in the following calendar year. Some common reasons for a Box 4 amount with blank boxes elsewhere: - Housing deposit applied retroactively to tuition - Scholarship or grant adjusted after the calendar year ended - Fee refunds processed in the new year - Dropped class adjustments that happened after December 31 - Corrections to prior billing errors The school is required to report these adjustments on a 1098-T for the year they were processed, even if the student is no longer enrolled. But since you didn't claim education credits for 2022, you probably don't need to worry about it from a tax perspective!
10 Just to add some clarity for the OP - the American Opportunity Credit has different requirements than some other tax benefits. For the AOTC specifically, you need to be enrolled at least half-time for one academic period during the tax year to qualify. So even if you don't meet the full-time 5-month rule, you might still qualify for AOTC if your part-time enrollment met the half-time requirement at your institution.
1 That's really helpful - I didn't realize the AOTC had different enrollment requirements than the dependent status rules. Does this mean I could potentially claim the AOTC even if I'm only considered part-time for tax purposes?
10 Yes, that's exactly right! For the AOTC, you only need to be enrolled at least half-time for one academic period during the tax year. So even if you don't meet the 5-month full-time rule for dependent purposes, your 6-credit semester (which is typically considered half-time) would still qualify you for the AOTC as long as you meet the other requirements like pursuing a degree and being within your first four years of higher education. The enrollment requirements are different for different tax benefits - that's why it gets so confusing when trying to figure out your "student status" more generally.
5 Has anyone used TurboTax for this situation? Does it ask the right questions to figure out student status when you had different enrollment levels?
A few important technical points about Form 5471 and Streamlined procedures that haven't been mentioned: 1. The category of filer matters a lot. Based on your wife's 40% ownership, she's likely a Category 5 filer (10%+ ownership in a foreign corporation). Different categories have different filing requirements. 2. The Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures do cover penalty relief for international information returns like Form 5471 when the failure to file was non-willful. However, your non-willful statement needs to specifically address why you didn't know about these requirements. 3. The $10,000 penalty is per form, per year - but it's generally not automatically applied, especially for small businesses with minimal activity. 4. Consider whether you also need to file FBARs if you have signature authority over business accounts.
Thank you for this breakdown! One question - how detailed does the non-willful statement need to be specifically about Form 5471? Should we just generally say we didn't know about US filing requirements as an expat, or specifically mention we didn't know about foreign corporation ownership reporting?
Your non-willful statement should be specific about Form 5471. Don't just make a general statement about being unaware of US filing requirements - address why you didn't know about the specific requirement to report foreign corporation ownership. For example, explain that you formed the company for a small side business, had minimal profits, and had no knowledge of the complex international reporting requirements for US citizens with foreign business interests. Make sure to explain your wife's background (never lived in the US as an adult), how you learned about the requirement, and the steps you're taking to become compliant once you discovered it. The more specific you are about the Form 5471 requirements, the more convincing your non-willful claim will be.
Has anyone actually gone through an audit after using Streamlined procedures for Form 5471 issues? I'm curious about real outcomes, not just the theoretical process. I'm in a similar situation but with a South African company.
I went through the Streamlined program in 2019 for my German GmbH where I failed to file Form 5471 for 4 years. Properly documented everything, filed all 3 years of returns with the required 5471s, and submitted a detailed statement explaining my non-willful failure. Never got audited or questioned. Just received confirmation that my submission was accepted. Zero penalties. The key is being thorough and honest in your documentation.
Joshua Hellan
18 Your tax preparer was being unprofessional and alarming you unnecessarily. I've been doing tax work for years, and while certain things do increase audit risk, a simple income increase from a new job isn't one of the major red flags unless there's something else going on. Common actual audit triggers include: 1) Claiming home office deductions incorrectly 2) Reporting business losses for multiple years 3) Claiming unusually large charitable donations relative to income 4) Math errors or inconsistencies between forms 5) Unreported income that gets reported on 1099s Unless you have some of these issues, I wouldn't lose sleep over it.
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ā¢1 Thank you for this list! The only thing that might apply to me is that I did start doing some side gig work and claimed a few business expenses, but nothing major - maybe $1,200 total on a side income of about $8,000. Could that be what she was referring to? Or is that ratio pretty normal?
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ā¢18 That expense-to-income ratio is completely reasonable for side gig work and wouldn't raise any red flags by itself. 15% expenses on self-employment income is actually quite conservative by most standards. What's more likely is that your preparer may have been using scare tactics to justify their fee or to encourage you to purchase audit protection services, which is unfortunately common practice among some tax preparation businesses. Some preparers use audit warnings to upsell clients on representation services they likely won't need.
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22 Did your tax preparer try to sell you "audit protection" after warning you about the audit risk? That's a common tactic some tax prep chains use - scare you about audit risk then conveniently offer protection services for an additional fee. It's borderline unethical.
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ā¢1 Oh my god, she actually did! She mentioned their "audit defense package" for $79 right after making those comments, but I declined because I was already paying quite a bit for the preparation. I didn't even make the connection until you mentioned it. That makes me feel both better and worse at the same time - less worried about an audit but annoyed I was manipulated.
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