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Can Royalties from K-1 offset passive losses from the same K-1 partnership?

I'm hitting a wall with figuring out this K-1 situation for my brother-in-law who came to me for tax advice. He's got a roughly 18% ownership stake in a partnership but doesn't actively participate in running it (totally hands-off investor). Looking at his K-1, there's an ordinary business loss of about ($105,000) in box 1, but also shows royalty income of around $118,000. Since it's a passive investment for him, he can't seem to deduct the business loss, but is still getting hit with taxes on the full royalty income as portfolio income. Here's where it gets tricky - my brother-in-law swears up and down that the partnership's accountant told him the royalties are from patents the partnership developed after he bought in, as part of their normal business operations. According to the accountant, this means the royalties should count as ordinary business income that can offset those ordinary business losses. I've been digging through Publication 925 on "Licensing of Intangible Property by Pass-Through Entities" but it mainly covers scenarios where the pass-through created the intangible property before the taxpayer invested. Doesn't seem to address what happens when patents were developed after investment. I also found Treasury Regulation 1.469-2T(c)(3)(iii)(B) which says royalties from licensing intangible property are considered "derived in the ordinary course of business" if the entity "created such property" or "performed substantial services or incurred substantial costs" in developing/marketing it. Seems like the "created such property" part should apply here. So if this should be ordinary income at the partnership level, shouldn't it also offset the ordinary losses on the K-1? And how would you show this on the 1040 without triggering matching issues with IRS? Anyone dealt with something similar before?

Does anyone know if this same principle applies to S-Corp K-1s as well? My situation is similar but with an S-Corp that develops software and licenses it. The royalties are reported separately from business income on my K-1, but the software was developed as part of the company's normal business. Wondering if the same Treasury Regulation would apply?

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Yes, the same principle applies to S-Corps. Treasury Regulation 1.469-2T(c)(3)(iii)(B) doesn't distinguish between partnerships and S-Corps in this context. If the S-Corp created the software as part of its ordinary business and you were already a shareholder when it was developed, those royalties should be characterized the same as other business income from the S-Corp.

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Eli Butler

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This is a great discussion on a complex area of tax law! I wanted to add one practical consideration that might help others in similar situations. When dealing with partnerships that are reluctant to amend K-1s (which seems common based on the comments here), it's worth getting any conversations with the partnership's accountant in writing. If they verbally acknowledge that the patents were developed in the ordinary course of business after investment, ask them to confirm that in an email. This documentation becomes crucial if you need to file Form 8082 or if the IRS questions your position later. I've seen cases where partnership accountants give verbal guidance but then claim they never said it when push comes to shove. Also, for anyone considering the Form 8082 route - make sure you're confident in your position before filing. While it doesn't automatically trigger an audit, it does create a paper trail that could lead to scrutiny down the road. The key is having solid documentation supporting why the royalties should be characterized as business income rather than portfolio income. The Treasury Regulation cited throughout this thread (1.469-2T(c)(3)(iii)(B)) is definitely the right starting point, but each situation is fact-specific based on when the IP was developed and under what circumstances.

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Romeo Barrett

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Another money-saving option for your state taxes: check if your state has a free filing option directly through their tax department website. Many states offer free filing portals that aren't advertised as much as the paid services. For example, I live in California and was able to file for free using CalFile directly through the state franchise tax board. I had a similar situation where FreeTaxUSA wanted to charge for state filing after I did federal for free.

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Do you know if there are any income limits for using these state filing portals? I make around $58k annually and some "free" services end up not being free for me because of income thresholds.

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Romeo Barrett

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The income limits vary by state. In California, their CalFile system allows free filing for incomes up to $73,000, which covers most students and many working adults. Other states have different thresholds. Your best bet is to go directly to your state's department of revenue or taxation website and look for their free filing options. They usually list any income restrictions right on their information page. Even if you're above the threshold for some free services, state direct filing is often still cheaper than what the commercial tax prep services charge.

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Justin Trejo

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Pro tip: If you're filing back taxes just for FAFSA purposes, you can also request your tax transcript directly from the IRS after filing your federal return. This is free and often processes faster than waiting for your full return to be processed. The FAFSA verification process will accept tax transcripts if they need to verify your information.

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Alana Willis

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How do you request a tax transcript? Is that something you can do online?

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Yes, you can request tax transcripts online through the IRS website at irs.gov. Go to "Get Your Tax Record" and then "Get Transcript Online." You'll need to verify your identity with personal information and either a credit card, mortgage, or student loan account number. You can also request them by mail using Form 4506-T, but that takes 5-10 business days to receive. The online option is instant once you're verified. Tax transcripts show most of the key information from your tax return that FAFSA needs, and they're often available sooner than when your return shows up in the IRS Data Retrieval Tool.

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Emma Wilson

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Does anyone know what software is best for tracking inventory this way? We've been using QuickBooks but it seems designed for the traditional COGS method. Now I'm wondering if we need something different if we switch to expensing inventory at purchase.

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QuantumLeap

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You can still use QuickBooks! Just set up your inventory items as non-inventory items when purchased. That way they'll expense immediately. We switched to this method last year and our accountant showed us how to modify QuickBooks to handle it correctly.

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Kaylee Cook

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This is such helpful information! I've been struggling with the same decision for my small electronics repair shop. We stock replacement parts and I've always done the traditional COGS method, but it's been a real headache tracking everything. One thing I'm curious about - if we make this election to expense inventory when purchased, does it affect our ability to use Section 199A (the 20% small business deduction)? I know that deduction is based on qualified business income, and I'm wondering if changing how we account for inventory impacts that calculation at all. Also, has anyone dealt with sales tax implications? In my state, we pay sales tax on inventory purchases, and I want to make sure switching to this method doesn't create any issues with how we handle sales tax reporting or credits.

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Another option is to contact your Congressional representative's office! A lot of people don't realize this, but they often have staff dedicated to helping constituents with federal agency issues, including IRS problems. My brother was waiting on a $6,200 refund for almost 6 months and got nowhere until he contacted our Congressman's office. They have special channels to inquire about these things and his refund was processed within 3 weeks after they got involved. Just go to house.gov and enter your zip code to find your rep, then call their office and ask to speak to the staff member who handles IRS cases. Worth a shot!

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This actually works! I was skeptical but after waiting 4 months for my refund I called my congresswoman's office and they have a form specifically for IRS issues. Had to sign a privacy release but their caseworker called me back in 2 days and got things moving. Refund showed up about 2 weeks later.

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Ben Cooper

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I've been dealing with a similar situation for the past 4 months - filed in March and still waiting on a $2,800 refund. After reading through all these suggestions, I'm definitely going to try the Taxpayer Advocate Service route first since I can document the financial hardship this delay has caused me. For anyone else in this boat, I also wanted to mention that you can request your tax transcript online at irs.gov to see if there are any specific codes or flags on your account. It's free and might give you some clues about what's causing the holdup before you spend time on hold or pay for a service. The transcript will show processing dates and any error codes that might explain the delay. Has anyone had success getting their transcript and figuring out the issue themselves? I'm going to pull mine today and see what it shows.

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Olivia Clark

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Has anyone tried e-filing an amendment from 1040 to 1040NR? I'm in the same situation and wondering if there's any way to avoid the paper filing nightmare.

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You can't e-file an amendment that changes from Form 1040 to 1040NR. This specific type of amendment must be filed on paper. The IRS e-file system doesn't support changing return types like this, unfortunately.

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Olivia Clark

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Thanks for clarifying. That's disappointing but good to know before I waste time trying to figure it out. Guess I'll be heading to the post office soon.

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I went through this exact situation two years ago and want to emphasize a few critical points that might save you some headaches: First, when you mail your amendment package, use certified mail with return receipt. The IRS processing centers can be overwhelmed, and having proof of delivery is crucial if your package gets lost. Second, regarding the refund repayment calculation - make sure you're accounting for any interest you might owe. If it's been more than a few months since you received the original refund, the IRS may assess interest on the amount you need to pay back. Include this in your payment to avoid additional notices. Third, prepare for a long wait. My 1040 to 1040NR amendment took about 6 months to process, which is typical for paper amendments. Don't panic if you don't hear back for several months - that's normal. Finally, keep detailed records of everything. I created a folder with copies of all forms, supporting documents, the certified mail receipt, and notes from any phone calls with the IRS. This documentation proved invaluable when I had questions about my case later. The good news is that once it's processed correctly, you'll have peace of mind knowing your tax situation is properly resolved.

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This is incredibly helpful advice, especially about the certified mail and interest calculation! I'm just starting this process and hadn't considered the interest aspect. Quick question - when you calculated the interest owed, did you use the IRS underpayment interest rate or was there a specific rate for refund repayments? Also, did you include the interest calculation in your explanatory statement or just add it to your payment amount?

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