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Logan Scott

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Quick question - does anyone know if stock in foreign companies purchased through regular US brokerages (like Schwab or Fidelity) trigger Form 5471 requirements? I own shares of some Canadian and European companies through my brokerage account but never considered filing anything special.

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Publicly traded stocks purchased through US brokerages generally don't require Form 5471 filing, even if they're foreign companies. Form 5471 is typically for direct ownership in foreign corporations, not publicly traded shares. Your brokerage should provide a 1099 that reports all your dividend income, including from foreign sources. You might need to file Form 8938 if your total foreign assets exceed certain thresholds, but that's different from Form 5471. The brokerages handle most of the reporting requirements for publicly traded foreign stocks.

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StarSailor

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Based on what you've described, you're likely correct that you don't need to file Form 5471. With less than 10% ownership in each company and no officer/director role, you wouldn't meet the typical filing requirements under any of the 5 categories. However, I'd be extra careful about the "coordinated group" issue that others have mentioned. The fact that you're part of an 80-person investment group could potentially trigger constructive ownership rules if the IRS determines you're acting in coordination. The key factors they look at are: shared investment vehicles, common decision-making processes, voting agreements, or family/business relationships between investors. Since you mentioned it's a "mix of US citizens and non-US persons," only the US persons would count toward the 50% threshold for constructive ownership. You might want to document how your investment was structured - did everyone invest independently, or was there any kind of organizing entity or shared agreements? For future distributions, you'll report them as foreign dividends on Schedule B and may need to pay taxes on them even if they were already subject to foreign withholding taxes. You can often claim a foreign tax credit to avoid double taxation. Given the severe penalties ($10,000+ per form as mentioned above), it might be worth getting a definitive answer from a tax professional or the IRS directly, especially with the complexity of having 80 investors involved.

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This is really helpful, thank you! I think the key distinction here is that we all made completely independent investment decisions - there was no organizing entity, shared agreements, or coordinated decision-making. We literally just happened to invest in the same companies through our own research and due diligence. The investment group of 80 people isn't really a formal "group" - it's more like we're all individual investors who ended up in the same deals. No shared voting, no common investment vehicle, and we don't even communicate with each other about investment decisions. Given what @Mila Walker shared about the penalties, I m'definitely going to document everything about how my investments were structured. Better safe than sorry when it comes to $10,000+ penalties! I might also try one of the services mentioned above to get official confirmation from the IRS. Thanks everyone for the detailed responses - this community is incredibly helpful for navigating these complex tax situations!

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Luca Russo

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Just my 2 cents - I've been preparin taxes for 20 yrs and never got any fancy certifications beyond my EA. Still make great money and have tons of loyal clients. Don't get caught up in credentials, focus on building relationships and doin good work. Most taxpayers dont care about your letters, they care if you save them money and keep them outta trouble!

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Nia Wilson

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This is honestly terrible advice. The tax landscape is completely different now than 20 years ago. Try getting hired anywhere decent without at least an EA, preferably a CPA. The competition is fierce.

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Yara Nassar

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Having worked at the IRS for 12 years in various departments, I'd strongly recommend considering the federal route, especially given the current hiring push. The benefits package is honestly unbeatable - pension, TSP matching, excellent health insurance, and job security you just don't get in private practice. Yes, the bureaucracy can be frustrating, but the work-life balance is real. I've never missed a family dinner during tax season like my friends in public accounting do. The training is also top-notch - they'll actually invest in your professional development rather than just throwing you into busy season chaos. One thing people don't mention enough is the diversity of work at the IRS. You can move between examination, collections, criminal investigation, taxpayer advocate services, and more. It's not just processing returns all day. Plus, if you do decide to leave later, that IRS experience opens doors everywhere in tax. For Isabella specifically - with your accounting background, you'd likely qualify for GS-12 positions right out of college, which puts you ahead of most entry-level hires. The EA certification is perfect for IRS work and they'll support you getting it.

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Ethan Moore

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This is really helpful insight, thank you! The GS-12 starting level sounds promising - I hadn't realized my accounting degree might qualify me for a higher entry point. Can you tell me more about the different departments you mentioned? I'm particularly curious about examination vs. collections work and what the day-to-day looks like in each. Also, how long does it typically take to move between departments once you're in the system?

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In our case, the trust paid the taxes before distributing to beneficiaries. Our accountant said it depends on whether the trust is a "simple" or "complex" trust for tax purposes. For us it was complex since it had the option to accumulate income. Ur trust might be different tho. The accountant said the $200k was technically a capital gain to the trust since it was essentially selling its right to the property. They said the trust's basis in the property was the important part in calculating how much of that $200k was actually taxable gain.

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That's interesting - our family had almost the exact opposite experience. Our trust was deemed "simple" and passed all tax liability to us as beneficiaries. We each had to report our portion on our personal returns. Makes me wonder if the trusts were actually different or if we just got different tax advice? Tax pros - which approach is correct?

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This is a really complex situation that highlights why trust taxation can be so tricky! Based on what you've described, there are several key factors that will determine the tax treatment: 1. **Trust Classification**: Whether your trust is "simple" (must distribute all income annually) or "complex" (can accumulate income) will largely determine who pays the tax. 2. **Nature of the Settlement**: Since this was malpractice insurance compensating for a lost property interest, it's likely treated as a capital transaction rather than ordinary income. The tax calculation would compare the settlement amount to your trust's basis in the lost 21% property interest. 3. **Trust Document Language**: The specific provisions in your trust document about how settlements and capital transactions are allocated between income and principal will be crucial. Given the $200,000 amount and complexity involved, I'd strongly recommend getting professional guidance from a CPA who specializes in trust taxation before making any distributions. They can review your trust document, determine the trust's basis in the lost property, and calculate the proper tax treatment. The good news is that if it's determined to be a recovery of basis (rather than a gain above basis), the tax impact could be minimal. But you definitely want to get this right before distributing the funds!

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Ali Anderson

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14 Has anyone dealt with having an installment agreement request rejected? I'm worried mine might get rejected because I had a previous one that I defaulted on about 3 years ago. Just wondering what the process is like if they say no.

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Ali Anderson

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23 I had one rejected last year. They sent a letter explaining exactly why (in my case, I proposed too low of a monthly payment for my income level). They gave me 30 days to submit a new proposal with a higher payment amount.

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Ali Anderson

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14 Thanks for sharing your experience! That's actually reassuring to know they give you a chance to fix the issue rather than just a flat rejection. Did you end up submitting a new proposal with the higher amount they wanted?

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Ava Kim

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I went through this exact same situation about 6 months ago! Submitted my Form 9465 and waited what felt like forever. Here's what I learned: First, definitely start making payments now according to your proposed schedule. The IRS continues charging penalties and interest while they process your request, so you're just costing yourself more money by waiting. Any payments you make will be credited to your account regardless. Second, the processing times are really unpredictable right now. Mine took about 7 weeks to get approved, but I've heard of people waiting 2-3 months. The $7,800 you owe should qualify for streamlined processing since it's under $50,000, but that doesn't seem to be speeding things up much lately. One thing that helped me was calling the Practitioner Priority Service line (if you have a tax professional) or trying to get through to the regular customer service line very early in the morning. They were able to at least confirm my request was in the system and being processed. Don't stress too much - the vast majority of installment agreement requests get approved as long as you proposed a reasonable payment amount based on your financial situation. Just keep making those payments!

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This is really helpful, thank you! I'm glad to hear that most requests get approved. When you called to check on your status, did they give you any timeline estimate or just confirm it was being processed? I'm debating whether it's worth the hassle of trying to get through to them or if I should just keep waiting and making payments like you suggested.

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Haley Stokes

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You might consider implementing a quarterly dividend strategy alongside a reasonable base salary. This is what I do - I pay myself a consistent reasonable base that covers my actual work (based on market rates for my position), then distribute profits as needed through distributions. Remember that while S-Corp distributions aren't subject to self-employment tax, they ARE subject to income tax. And the IRS is very clear that you can't take distributions without a reasonable salary first.

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Ellie Perry

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That seems like a smart approach. So in practice, how do you handle this? Do you start with a somewhat conservative base salary and then do quarterly reviews to determine distributions? And do you ever adjust the base salary mid-year if business is significantly better or worse than expected?

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Haley Stokes

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I start with a base salary that would be reasonable to hire someone to replace me in my role - I actually got quotes from headhunters for similar positions to document this amount. I review quarterly but rarely change the base unless my duties significantly change. For distributions, I first ensure all business cash flow needs are covered (including reserves for taxes and future expenses), then distribute a portion of excess profits quarterly. In exceptionally good quarters, I sometimes pay myself a W-2 bonus rather than taking it all as distributions - this looks better for maintaining that reasonable salary requirement while still giving me flexibility. The key is having a documented methodology that shows you're not artificially suppressing salary to avoid payroll taxes.

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The uncertainty you're facing is totally understandable - that's a massive potential revenue jump! Here's what I'd recommend based on going through something similar: Start with a conservative approach for Q1. Set your salary based on a blend of last year's performance plus modest growth expectations - maybe bump from $65k to around $75-80k to start. This keeps your fixed commitment manageable while acknowledging some growth. Then implement quarterly reviews. As you hit Q2 and Q3, if the revenue is materializing as projected, you can either: 1. Increase your base salary mid-year (requires payroll adjustments) 2. Pay yourself W-2 bonuses quarterly to catch up 3. Take the excess as distributions (though remember you need that reasonable salary first) The IRS doesn't expect you to predict the future perfectly, but they do expect you to make reasonable adjustments as circumstances change. Document everything - why you set the initial salary, what factors you considered for increases, and how you determined what's "reasonable" for your role and industry. Most importantly, focus on what you'd need to pay someone else to do your job, not on percentages of profit. Your duties might not change much even if revenue quadruples, so your salary shouldn't necessarily scale directly with profits.

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