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I think everyone is overthinking this. If your LLC remained active (you paid the fees, maintained registration, etc.) then it was never "started up" again - it was just continuing. Section 162 expenses are for ongoing businesses. Section 195 startup costs are for brand NEW businesses or completely new activities that are totally different from what you did before. The fact that you had a dormant period doesn't magically turn regular business expenses into startup costs.
Thank you all so much for the detailed responses! This has really put my mind at ease. It sounds like our approach with Section 162 deductions was correct since we maintained the LLC's legal status and business licenses the whole time. We never actually closed down operations - we just didn't have any clients for a few years. I appreciate the explanation about the difference between business expenses and startup costs too. The immediate deduction is definitely better for our situation than amortizing over 15 years!
Just wanted to share another perspective on this since I've dealt with IRS audits on business continuity issues. The key factor the IRS looks at is whether you had "regular and continuous" business activity, not whether you had revenue. In your case, maintaining business licenses, keeping a website active, and being ready to respond to business opportunities demonstrates continuity of operations. The IRS Revenue Ruling 58-112 specifically addresses this - a temporary cessation of business activity doesn't convert regular business expenses into startup costs as long as the business entity remains active and you maintain the intent to continue operations. Your Section 162 treatment was absolutely correct. I've seen taxpayers get into trouble when they incorrectly reclassify continuing business expenses as startup costs during audits, because it raises red flags about whether they understand their own business structure. Stick with what you filed - you're on solid ground here.
Just wondering - has anyone used those "tax relief" companies that advertise on radio/TV for situations like this? They claim they can settle with the IRS for "pennies on the dollar" but I'm not sure if they're legit or scams.
I've been through almost the exact same situation - 6 years of unfiled returns after getting overwhelmed by an initial IRS notice. The anxiety was paralyzing, but dealing with it was actually much less scary than I had built up in my head. Here's what worked for me: I started by requesting my wage and income transcripts online from the IRS website. This showed me exactly what employers had reported each year, so I didn't have to track down old W2s. Then I filed all the missing returns at once using tax software (TurboTax actually handles prior years pretty well). The biggest shock? I actually got refunds for 3 of those years because I had overpaid through withholdings. The refunds almost completely offset what I owed for the other years. Don't let the anxiety keep you frozen - the IRS genuinely wants to work with people who are trying to get compliant. You've been having taxes withheld this whole time, which shows good faith. Start with getting those transcripts and you'll have a much clearer picture of where you actually stand financially. You might be pleasantly surprised.
You mentioned a company car - was that during your contract work or only after becoming an employee? If you had it during contract work, there might be tax implications there too.
It was only after becoming an employee. During the contract period, I was using my personal vehicle but the company reimbursed me for mileage. I'm guessing those reimbursements aren't taxable since they were just covering my costs?
If the company properly reimbursed you at or below the standard mileage rate (65.5 cents per mile for 2023), then those reimbursements aren't taxable income. However, you also can't deduct those miles since you've already been compensated for them. But definitely double-check if they reported those reimbursements as income on your 1099-NEC. Sometimes companies incorrectly include reimbursements, and if that happened, you'd want to deduct those expenses to offset that income.
I went through something very similar last year - owing a big chunk because of mixed W-2 and 1099 income. The self-employment tax on that $13,500 is probably what's killing you the most. A few things that helped me: 1. Double-check if your employer reimbursements were incorrectly included in your 1099-NEC income 2. Even small business expenses add up - phone usage, internet, any equipment or supplies 3. Set up quarterly estimated payments for next year to avoid this mess again The underpayment penalty stings, but at least it's relatively small compared to your total bill. I'd definitely recommend seeing a tax pro - they often find deductions that save more than their fee costs. Don't beat yourself up too much, this is a super common situation when transitioning from contract to employee work.
Quick warning - don't forget to pay self-employment tax on your farm income! Schedule F income is subject to self-employment tax (15.3% covering both Social Security and Medicare). This catches a lot of new farmers by surprise.
Omar, your buddy gave you solid advice! As a newcomer to farm taxes myself, I was confused about this same thing last year. Schedule F business deductions are completely separate from your personal standard deduction - you get both! Think of it this way: your farm is a business entity, so those $3,800 in feed, equipment repairs, and seed costs are business expenses that get deducted on Schedule F. Meanwhile, you as an individual can still claim the standard deduction (or itemize if that's better) for your personal expenses. They don't interact with each other at all. Just make sure you keep detailed records of all your farm income and expenses, and that you're operating with genuine profit intent. The IRS wants to see that this is a real business, not just a hobby. Good luck with your farming venture!
Ryan Andre
have you tried accessing your account online at irs.gov? sometimes there's info there that doesn't show up on the transcript or wheres my refund. might be worth a try
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Noah Ali
ā¢I did check there but it just shows the same status as Where's My Refund - "still being processed".
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Niko Ramsey
I'm going through almost the exact same situation right now! Filed in January with EIC and have been stuck with codes 570 and 810 for months. It's so frustrating not knowing what's happening or when it will resolve. From what I've learned lurking in these forums, it seems like the IRS is really cracking down on EIC claims this year, especially with self-employment income. The combination of your high withholding amount compared to your final income plus the substantial EIC is probably what triggered the review. I know it doesn't help much, but you're definitely not alone in this. I've been checking my transcript obsessively every Friday when it updates, hoping to see that magical 571 code show up. The waiting game is absolutely brutal when you need the money for important things like medical bills. Have you considered reaching out to your local Taxpayer Advocate office? I've heard they can sometimes help expedite cases when there's financial hardship involved. Might be worth a shot given your medical situation. Hang in there - from everything I've read, most of these eventually do resolve, it just takes way longer than anyone wants to wait. š
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