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To answer the original question with some actual data points: - Top 1% of earners (making $540k+) pay about 40% of federal income tax - Top 10% (making $145k+) pay about 71% of income tax - Bottom 50% (making below $41k) pay about 3% of income tax BUT here's where it gets interesting - when you include payroll taxes (Social Security/Medicare), the picture changes because those taxes hit middle and lower incomes harder due to the cap. The problem with these discussions is everyone focuses on federal income tax, but that's just one piece. When you factor in state taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, and other fees, the overall tax system becomes much less progressive.
Those numbers seem cherry-picked. Are those percentages of total tax paid or their effective tax rates? Because if 1% of people pay 40% of taxes but earn 80% of the income, that's still regressive. Can you share where those stats come from?
Those are percentages of total federal income tax collected, coming from IRS data for 2020 (the most recent complete analysis available). You raise a good point about comparing to income share - the top 1% earned about 20% of total adjusted gross income while paying 40% of income taxes, making the income tax portion progressive. However, looking at your broader question - when analyzing the entire tax system (federal, state, local, sales, property, etc.), studies from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy show the overall system is much less progressive than federal income tax alone. In some states with high sales taxes and no income tax, the overall tax system can actually be regressive, with lower-income residents paying a higher percentage of their income in total taxes than wealthy residents.
I think we're missing something important here - it's not just about how much each group pays, but what we get in return! I pay around 28% of my income in various taxes (I calculated it last year), and I'm constantly wondering where it all goes. Other countries with similar or higher tax rates have universal healthcare, affordable college, better infrastructure, and longer vacation time. Americans feel overtaxed not just because of the amount, but because many don't feel they're getting good value for what they pay.
Exactly! I moved back to the US after living in Germany for 5 years. Paid higher taxes there but never worried about healthcare costs, had excellent public transportation, and 6 weeks vacation. Here I pay slightly less in taxes but then have to pay $650/month for health insurance with a $4000 deductible. It's not just the tax rate that matters!
Just thinking outside the box - could you set up a separate Venmo/Cash App account specifically for work tips? Maybe label it clearly like "[Company Name] Valet Tips" so it's obvious it's not your personal money? Might make the accounting cleaner at least.
That wouldn't solve the tax issue though. Venmo/Cash App accounts are tied to SSNs, so even a separate account would still be linked to OP personally. The IRS would still see it as their income regardless of the account name.
I work for a tax preparation firm and see situations like this regularly. You're absolutely right to be concerned - this setup is creating a significant tax liability risk for you personally. The fundamental problem is that payment apps report based on the account holder's SSN, regardless of the actual ownership of the funds. So you'll likely receive 1099-K forms showing the full amount of tips as YOUR income, even though most of it gets distributed to others. Here's what I recommend: First, immediately start documenting EVERYTHING. Create a spreadsheet tracking every digital tip received, the date, amount, and exactly how much went to which valet (including yourself). Keep screenshots of all transactions and payouts. This documentation will be crucial if the IRS questions anything. Second, you need to have a serious conversation with your employer about restructuring this arrangement. Ideally, the company should either set up a business account for receiving digital tips OR formally document that you're acting as their agent in collecting these payments. Without proper documentation from your employer, you could be personally liable for taxes on money that was never really yours. The $600 reporting threshold mentioned in other comments makes this even more urgent. With $4000/month flowing through your accounts, you're looking at potentially owing taxes on $48,000+ annually that you never actually kept. Don't wait on this - the longer the current system continues, the bigger the potential tax problem becomes.
whats the number for that?
Been through this before - typically takes 3-4 weeks for the paper check to arrive after rejection. You can also track it on the IRS website using "Where's My Refund" tool. Just make sure your address hasn't changed since you filed!
This is super helpful! I've been checking "Where's My Refund" obsessively but it still just says "being processed" π How long after the rejection does it usually update to show the paper check info?
Has anyone actually had their OIC accepted when they couldn't provide spouse info? My tax guy told me they almost always reject these applications if you're missing any info they ask for.
I got one accepted last year without my ex's info. The key was documentation - I included our separation agreement (even though we weren't divorced), proof of separate addresses for 3+ years, separate bank accounts, and a notarized statement explaining the situation. Also included copies of emails showing I tried to get her cooperation. The IRS actually does have procedures for this exact situation.
I went through something very similar about 2 years ago - owed $28k and had been separated for 6 years but never officially divorced. My ex also refused to provide any financial information or cooperate at all. Here's what worked for me: I gathered every piece of documentation I could find to prove we were living completely separate lives. This included different addresses on utility bills, separate car insurance policies, different phone plans, bank statements showing no shared accounts, and even testimony from neighbors who could confirm we hadn't lived together in years. The most important thing was being completely honest and transparent with the IRS. I submitted a detailed written statement explaining the entire situation, including my attempts to contact my ex (I kept screenshots of unanswered texts and emails). I also included an affidavit stating that to the best of my knowledge, she had minimal income, but that I had no way to verify this. My OIC was initially put on hold for additional review, but after about 4 months, it was accepted at about 25% of what I owed. The key was showing that I made every reasonable effort to get the information but couldn't due to circumstances beyond my control. Don't give up - the IRS does have procedures for situations exactly like yours. Just make sure you document everything and be completely truthful about your attempts to get her cooperation.
Giovanni Marino
Wait im confused. What if i have to pay for parking at different client sites? Im a w2 employee but i travel to different locations for my job during the day?
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Ethan Campbell
β’That's actually a different situation! If you're a W-2 employee who travels between work locations during your workday (not just commuting from home to work), the parking expenses at those temporary client sites might be reimbursable by your employer. Your employer should be reimbursing you for these business expenses. If they don't, unfortunately, post-2017 tax law doesn't allow W-2 employees to deduct these unreimbursed business expenses on your tax return anymore. The key distinction is: parking at your regular workplace isn't deductible, and now even parking at temporary work locations isn't deductible for W-2 employees unless your employer reimburses you.
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Giovanni Marino
β’Thanks for explaining. My company gives us a monthly allowance for travel expenses but its not enough to cover everything. Guess i should talk to my boss about increasing it since i cant write it off anymore! This whole tax thing is so confusing.
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SofΓa RodrΓguez
Your coworker is likely making a mistake that could get him in trouble with the IRS. As others have confirmed, W-2 employees cannot deduct parking expenses at their regular workplace - this has been the case since the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act eliminated unreimbursed employee expense deductions. I'd suggest having a friendly conversation with your coworker about this. He might be confusing old tax rules (pre-2018), or maybe he has some 1099 income on the side that he's legitimately deducting parking for. Either way, if he's deducting regular commuting parking as a W-2 employee, he's setting himself up for potential issues if audited. Your best bet is to ask your employer about pre-tax commuter benefits if they offer them - that's the only legitimate way for W-2 employees to get tax savings on parking expenses. Don't risk taking deductions you're not entitled to!
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Evelyn Kim
β’This is really helpful advice about talking to the coworker! I'm in a similar situation where I've heard conflicting information from people at work about what can and can't be deducted. It's so easy to get confused when tax laws change and people are still following old rules or mixing up different employment situations. I think I'll also check with my HR department about whether we have any commuter benefit options - never hurts to ask and it sounds like that's the only legitimate way to get tax savings on parking as a W-2 employee.
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