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Trust assets only avoid the 9-month estate tax filing if they're in an irrevocable trust established well before death. If your dad had a revocable living trust (the most common kind), those assets are still considered part of his taxable estate. But with $850k total value, you're nowhere near the federal filing threshold anyway.
This isn't entirely accurate. Even with a revocable trust, you still benefit from avoiding probate, which can be a huge advantage for the heirs. And depending on when the trust was established and what provisions it contains, there could be significant tax advantages even if it doesn't remove assets from the taxable estate.
I'm sorry for your loss, Lucas. Dealing with estate matters during grief is incredibly challenging. Based on what you've shared, with an $850,000 estate value, you're well below the federal estate tax filing threshold of $13.61 million for 2025, so you likely won't need to file Form 706. However, don't overlook these important steps: 1) File your father's final income tax return (Form 1040) for 2025 by April 15, 2026, 2) If the estate generates any income after his death, you may need to file Form 1041, and 3) Even though you're in Texas (no state estate tax), you'll still need to handle property transfers through the county. Regarding the trust - if it's a revocable living trust (most common), the assets are still considered part of his estate for tax purposes, but the trust should help you avoid probate proceedings. Make sure all assets were properly titled to the trust before his passing, as any assets not in the trust may need to go through probate. Consider consulting with a probate attorney for at least one session to ensure you're handling everything correctly - it could save you significant headaches later.
This is really helpful advice, thank you Zoe. I'm still learning about all this - when you mention Form 1041 for estate income, what kind of income would that include? The house isn't generating rental income right now, but there are some bank accounts and a few stocks that might have earned interest or dividends after he passed. Would those small amounts still require filing that form? Also, you mentioned making sure assets were properly titled to the trust - how can I check this? I have copies of the trust documents but I'm not sure how to verify if everything was actually transferred correctly before he died.
Great questions, Darcy! For Form 1041, you'll need to file if the estate has gross income of $600 or more for the tax year, OR if there's a nonresident alien beneficiary. This includes any interest, dividends, capital gains, or other income earned by estate assets after the date of death. Even small amounts can trigger the filing requirement if they total $600+. To check if assets were properly titled to the trust, look at account statements, property deeds, and investment account registrations. They should show the trust as the owner (something like "John Smith Revocable Trust dated MM/DD/YYYY" rather than just "John Smith"). For bank accounts, contact the banks directly - they can tell you how the accounts are titled. For real estate, check with the county recorder's office or look at the most recent property deed. If you find assets that weren't transferred to the trust, those will likely need to go through probate. This is actually pretty common - many people create trusts but forget to actually transfer all their assets into them.
I've been tracking my own transcripts for the past few tax seasons and here's what I've noticed: while the IRS technically updates daily, there are definitely patterns. Most significant movements (like refund approvals, cycle codes changing) tend to happen overnight Wednesday-Thursday and Friday-Saturday. But smaller updates like processing acknowledgments can pop up any day. My advice? Check Thursday mornings and Saturday mornings for the big stuff, but don't stress about checking daily - you'll just drive yourself crazy like the rest of us have! š
This is super helpful! I'm new to all this transcript checking madness and was starting to think I was doing something wrong. Good to know there's actually some method to the IRS's madness even if it feels totally random. Definitely going to try the Thursday/Saturday morning approach instead of my current "check every 2 hours" strategy š
As someone who's been through this waiting game multiple times, I can tell you the daily checking becomes an obsession real quick! The IRS system does update daily, but like others mentioned, the major processing batches usually hit Wednesday night/Thursday morning and Friday night/Saturday morning. I've found that checking first thing Thursday and Saturday mornings gives you the best chance of seeing actual movement. That said, I've also seen random updates on Tuesdays and Mondays, so there's always exceptions. My sanity-saving tip: set specific check times instead of randomly throughout the day. Maybe Thursday 6am and Saturday 6am, then try to forget about it the rest of the time (easier said than done, I know!). The transcript will update when it updates, regardless of how many times we refresh that page! š
Just to add on to what others have said - the 2025 W4 doesn't even have allowances anymore like the old form did. It's structured completely differently now. You need to fill out the multiple jobs worksheet if you have more than one job, or the deductions worksheet if you have a lot of deductions. The form is actually easier to use now but claiming exempt still has the same requirements - you need to have had NO tax liability last year and expect NONE this year. At $68k, you definitely don't qualify.
The new W4 is so confusing to me. Wish they would have kept the allowances system. At least that was straightforward - more allowances = less withholding.
Hey Miguel! I was in almost the exact same situation as you - making around $70k, getting huge refunds, and wanting more money in my paychecks. Definitely don't claim exempt though - that's only for people who literally owe zero taxes, which definitely isn't the case at your income level. What worked for me was using the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator (it's free on irs.gov) to figure out exactly how to fill out my W4. Since you're single with no kids and just have student loans, it should be pretty straightforward. You'll probably want to claim the standard deduction and maybe add your student loan interest deduction if you pay interest on those loans. The key is using Step 4 on the W4 - you can reduce your withholding there without going all the way to exempt. I ended up putting about $2,000 in the deductions section (Step 4b) which increased my take-home by about $150 per paycheck. Still got a small refund of around $400 instead of the $3,000+ I was getting before. Just be conservative with your first attempt - you can always adjust it again if needed!
This is really helpful advice! I'm curious though - when you say you put $2,000 in the deductions section, how did you calculate that number? Did the IRS estimator tell you exactly what to put there, or did you have to do some math based on your previous year's refund? I'm trying to figure out if I should just divide my $3,200 refund by the number of paychecks to get a rough idea of how much to adjust.
Make sure you check if any part of that severance was designated as a "supplemental wage" - things like severance are sometimes withheld at a flat 22% federal rate, which might not be enough depending on your tax bracket. I got hit with a surprise tax bill because of this! Also, did they give you any outplacement services or career counseling as part of the package? Those can be non-taxable benefits if structured properly.
Is the 22% supplemental rate mandatory or can employers choose a different withholding percentage? My severance had way more than 22% taken out and I'm trying to figure out if that was correct.
Employers can choose to withhold at a higher rate than 22% if they want to be conservative, especially for larger payments. The 22% is the standard flat rate for supplemental wages under $1 million, but they're allowed to withhold more to help employees avoid underpayment penalties. If they withheld significantly more than 22%, it might mean their payroll system calculated it differently or they opted for a higher withholding rate. You'll get credit for all the withholding on your tax return, so if they over-withheld, you'd get the excess back as a refund. Check your pay stub or W-2 to see exactly what percentage they used - it should show the federal income tax withheld amount.
One thing that might help put your mind at ease is to run a quick tax projection now rather than waiting until filing season. Since you have both W-2s already, you can estimate your total tax liability and see if you're on track or need to make adjustments. If you find out you're significantly under-withheld, you might want to consider making an estimated tax payment before the end of the year to avoid underpayment penalties. The IRS generally wants you to pay at least 90% of your current year tax liability or 100% of last year's (110% if your prior year AGI was over $150k). Also, since you got rehired at the same company, double-check that they didn't accidentally combine your severance with regular wages on your main W-2. Sometimes payroll systems can get confused when there's a termination followed by a rehire, and you want to make sure everything is reported correctly.
This is really solid advice! I just checked and thankfully my company did issue separate W-2s like they should have - one for my regular wages through November and another specifically for the severance payment. Quick question though - you mentioned making an estimated tax payment before year end. Since this all happened in November and I'm already back to work, would it make more sense to just adjust my withholding on my regular paychecks for the rest of the year instead? I'm wondering if increasing my 401k contribution or asking HR to withhold extra federal taxes from my remaining paychecks might be easier than dealing with estimated payments.
Carmen Ortiz
This is really helpful information! I had no idea about this extension. I'm definitely going to go back and review my 2019 return - I remember being super stressed that year with a job change and probably rushed through it. Quick question though - when you file an amended return using Form 1040-X, do you need to include copies of all the supporting documents again, or just the new ones for the changes you're making? I don't want to mess this up and delay my refund even more. Also, does anyone know roughly how long amended returns are taking to process right now? I know regular returns were backed up for a while, wondering if amendments are facing similar delays.
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Jamal Thompson
ā¢Great questions! For the supporting documents, you typically only need to include new documentation that supports the changes you're making on your amended return. So if you're adding a charitable deduction you missed, include that receipt. If you're claiming a new business expense, include that documentation. You don't need to re-submit everything from your original return. As for processing times, amended returns are currently taking quite a bit longer than usual - I've seen estimates of 16-20 weeks for most amendments, sometimes longer if they trigger additional review. The IRS is still working through backlogs from the pandemic years. You can check the status of your amended return using the "Where's My Amended Return?" tool on the IRS website about 3 weeks after they receive it. Given this extended lookback period from Notice 2023-21, I'd expect processing times might get even longer as more people file amendments for 2019 and 2020. But don't let that discourage you - if you're owed money, it's definitely worth the wait!
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Omar Zaki
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation where I think I rushed through my 2019 and 2020 returns during all the pandemic chaos. Reading through everyone's experiences, it sounds like this Notice 2023-21 extension is definitely worth taking advantage of. I'm particularly interested in the tools people have mentioned for reviewing old returns. Like @Carlos Mendoza, I'm pretty sure I missed some deductions in 2019 - I started working from home that year but didn't claim any home office expenses because I wasn't sure how it worked. One thing I'm curious about though - if I do find mistakes and file an amended return, will that trigger an audit or extra scrutiny from the IRS? I've always been paranoid about amending returns because I worry it flags you for review. Has anyone had issues with this, or is it pretty routine when you're claiming legitimate deductions you originally missed? Thanks to everyone who's shared their experiences here - this is exactly the kind of real-world advice that makes navigating tax stuff so much easier!
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