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Ella Lewis

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Does anyone know if jury duty pay that you give to your employer counts as an above the line deduction? My company requires us to turn over jury duty pay but still pays our regular salary while serving. I thought I saw somewhere this was deductible above the line.

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Mia Alvarez

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Yes, that's correct! If you turned over your jury duty pay to your employer (because they continued paying your regular salary), you can deduct that amount as an above-the-line deduction on Schedule 1. It's one of the less common deductions, but definitely valid. Just make sure to report the jury duty pay as income first, then deduct the same amount on the "other adjustments" line with a note that it was jury duty pay given to employer.

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Yara Nassar

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Great question! Above the line deductions are definitely worth understanding, especially with your side business. The key thing to remember is that these deductions reduce your Adjusted Gross Income (AGI), which is line 11 on Form 1040, and you get them regardless of whether you itemize or take the standard deduction. For your situation specifically: Yes, your self-employed health insurance premiums, IRA contributions, and student loan interest are all above the line deductions. Since you have a side business, you'll also want to look into the qualified business income (QBI) deduction under Section 199A - it can be huge for small business owners. One thing people often miss is that your business expenses from the side gig go on Schedule C and reduce your business income before it even gets to your main tax return. Then any remaining self-employment tax gets a 50% deduction above the line. The "above vs below the line" terminology comes from where these appear on your tax return - above the line means they reduce your AGI, while below the line deductions (like itemized deductions) only reduce your taxable income after AGI is calculated. Lower AGI can help you qualify for more credits and deductions that phase out at higher income levels.

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Cole Roush

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This is a really comprehensive breakdown! I'm just starting to learn about taxes as a new taxpayer and the explanation about AGI vs taxable income really clicked for me. One quick question - you mentioned that business expenses go on Schedule C before they even hit the main return. Does that mean if I have a side business with $5,000 income but $2,000 in expenses, only the net $3,000 shows up as self-employment income on my 1040? And then I'd get the 50% deduction on the self-employment tax calculated from that $3,000?

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Exactly right! You've got it. Your Schedule C would show $5,000 in income and $2,000 in business expenses, giving you a net profit of $3,000. That $3,000 is what flows to your Form 1040 as self-employment income. Then you'd calculate self-employment tax on that $3,000 (which is about 15.3% for Social Security and Medicare taxes). Let's say that comes out to about $459 in self-employment tax. You'd then get to deduct half of that ($229) as an above-the-line deduction on your 1040. This is actually a really smart way the tax code works - it prevents you from paying both income tax AND self-employment tax on the full amount by giving you that deduction for the "employer portion" of the self-employment tax. It's one of those deductions that many new business owners don't realize they're entitled to! Make sure to keep good records of all your business expenses throughout the year. Even small purchases like office supplies, mileage, or a portion of your home internet can add up and reduce that taxable business income.

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Ava Thompson

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Has anyone ever had success getting the withholding returned directly from the IRA custodian instead of waiting for tax filing? I had a similar situation last year with Fidelity and after enough complaining they actually reversed the transaction completely and reprocessed it correctly as a return of contribution with no withholding.

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CyberSiren

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I actually did this with Vanguard a couple years ago. The key was that I caught it and called them within like 2 weeks of the distribution. They were able to basically cancel it and redo it properly before they had sent the withholding to the IRS. But I think once they've sent that money to the government, you're probably stuck waiting for your tax refund.

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This is a frustrating situation but definitely fixable! You're right that this should have been processed as a return of contribution rather than a regular distribution. The 20% withholding was unfortunate but standard procedure when custodians process regular withdrawals. A few key points to help you navigate this: 1. **Timing matters**: Since this was a same-year contribution and withdrawal, you have a good case for treating it as a return of contribution, which would avoid the 10% early withdrawal penalty. 2. **Documentation is crucial**: When you file your 2025 return, include a clear statement explaining that this was intended as a return of excess contribution made in the same tax year. Be specific about the dates of both the contribution and withdrawal. 3. **Check your 1099-R**: Look at Box 7 for the distribution code. If it shows "1" (early distribution), you might want to contact your IRA custodian to see if they can issue a corrected form with code "8" (return of contribution). This could save you headaches later. 4. **The withholding will come back**: You'll get that $1,400 back when you file your return - it will be credited as taxes paid, likely resulting in a larger refund. The silver lining is that this is a common enough situation that tax software and preparers know how to handle it properly. Just make sure to document everything clearly!

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IRS Transcript Showing Code 571 Last Week and 846 Code Dated for Next Week - Refund Finally on the Way After Freeze?

Just checked my transcript and saw some movement finally. Got a 571 code last week and now showing 846 code dated for next week. Can someone tell me what this means? Is this good news? Here's what my account transcript shows right now: FORM NUMBER: 1040 TAX PERIOD: Dec. 31, 2022 ACCOUNT BALANCE: 0.00 ACCRUED INTEREST AS OF: Jun. 13, 2023: 0.00 ACCRUED PENALTY AS OF: Jun. 13, 2023: 0.00 FILING STATUS: Head of Household EXEMPTIONS: 03 ADJUSTED GROSS INCOME: 0.00 TAXABLE INCOME: 0.00 TAX PER RETURN: 0.00 SE TAXABLE INCOME TAXPAYER: 0.00 TOTAL SELF EMPLOYMENT TAX: 0.00 RETURN DUE DATE OR RETURN RECEIVED DATE: Apr. 15, 2023 PROCESSING DATE: May 15, 2023 TRANSACTIONS: CODE EXPLANATION OF TRANSACTION | CYCLE | DATE | AMOUNT 150 Tax return filed | 20231705 | 05-15-2023 | $0.00 75221-432-73750-3 806 W-2 or 1099 withholding | | 04-15-2023 | -$3,550.00 810 Refund freeze | | 03-09-2023 | $0.00 766 Credit to your account | | 04-15-2023 | -$1,240.00 768 Earned income credit | | 04-15-2023 | -$6,840.00 766 Credit to your account | | 04-15-2023 | -$1,050.00 971 Amended tax return or claim forwarded for processing | | 05-14-2023 | $0.00 977 Amended return filed | | 05-14-2023 | $0.00 971 Amended tax return or claim forwarded for processing | | 05-15-2023 | $0.00 977 Amended return filed | | 05-15-2023 | $0.00 I see the 810 code showing a refund freeze from March, but now I've got the 571 code last week and today I'm seeing an 846 code dated for next week. Does this mean my refund is finally on the way? I filed an amended return which looks like it was processed in mid-May. I'm really hoping this means good news after waiting for so long!

Code 571 means they lifted the freeze on your account and 846 is the actual refund issuance! Based on your transcript, looks like the 810 freeze from March got resolved. The 846 date is usually pretty accurate - that's when it should hit your account. After 8+ months of waiting, you're finally in the clear! šŸŽ‰ Just make sure your direct deposit info is still current in case they need to update anything.

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Salim Nasir

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This is such a relief to hear! I've been checking my transcript obsessively for months. Quick question - does the 846 date usually mean the exact day it hits your account or could it be a day or two earlier? I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much but after waiting since March I'm so ready for this nightmare to be over šŸ˜…

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Nia Davis

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Congrats! Those are definitely the codes you want to see! šŸŽ‰ The 571 code means the IRS released whatever hold was on your account (that 810 freeze from March), and 846 is the golden ticket - that's your refund being issued. The date next to the 846 is when it should hit your bank account, usually pretty accurate within 1-2 days. After waiting since March with that freeze, you're finally at the finish line! Just double check that your bank info is still correct in case anything changed since you filed. Been through this myself and those codes delivered exactly when promised!

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Taylor Chen

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Thanks for explaining this so clearly! I'm a newcomer here and have been so confused about all these codes. Just to clarify - when you say the 846 date is accurate within 1-2 days, does that mean it could come earlier than the date shown? I'm in a similar situation with these same codes and trying to understand the timeline better. Really appreciate how helpful everyone is being in this community! šŸ™

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Something important to remember about AMT and self-employment income: the self-employment tax deduction (the employer portion of FICA taxes) doesn't get added back for AMT purposes. This is one adjustment that actually works in your favor! Also, if you're using Section 179 expensing for business equipment, be aware that AMT might require you to depreciate those assets over a longer period, which affects your AMTI calculation.

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Eli Butler

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Thank you for mentioning this! I had completely forgotten about how the self-employment tax deduction is treated. Does the same apply for health insurance deductions for self-employed individuals? Is that also treated the same under both regular tax and AMT?

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The self-employed health insurance deduction is generally treated the same way for both regular income tax and AMT calculations, so you don't need to make an adjustment there. For itemized medical expenses, remember that under regular tax rules for 2025, you can deduct medical expenses that exceed 7.5% of your AGI, but under AMT rules, you can only deduct expenses exceeding 10% of your AGI - that's an adjustment that can sometimes trigger AMT for people with high medical expenses.

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Speaking from experience, don't forget to check if you qualify for the AMT exemption phaseout with your combined income. When I added my side hustle to my W2 job last year, it pushed me into the phaseout range which really screwed up my calculations. For 2025, the exemption begins phasing out at $1,079,800 for married filing jointly and $539,900 for single filers. The exemption reduces by 25 cents for each dollar of AMTI above these thresholds.

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Is there a simplified way to estimate if you'll be hit by AMT when you have self-employment income? I'm trying to do some tax planning for next year and want to avoid surprises.

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Welcome to the high-tax club! I'm also a recent grad in California and went through the exact same shock. A few things that helped me understand what was happening: First, that 31% includes both your portion AND what feels like every tax California can think of. You've got federal income tax (probably around 12% at your salary), California state income tax (6-9% depending on your exact income), Social Security (6.2%), Medicare (1.45%), and that SDI (State Disability Insurance) at about 1.1%. The good news is you'll likely get some of this back when you file taxes, especially if you have student loan interest, contributed to a 401k, or qualify for other deductions. I got back about $2,800 my first year. Also check if your employer offers pre-tax benefits like health insurance, HSA, or 401k contributions - these reduce your taxable income and can lower your withholding. Even contributing just 3% to a 401k would save you money on taxes while building retirement savings. It sucks seeing such small paychecks, but you're not alone! California is expensive but the career opportunities often make up for it in the long run.

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This is really helpful, thank you! I hadn't thought about the pre-tax benefits angle. My employer does offer a 401k with matching, but I was hesitant to contribute since my take-home is already so tight. But if it actually reduces my tax withholding, that could help with cash flow right now. Do you know roughly how much contributing 3% would save on each paycheck versus waiting until I'm more financially stable?

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AstroAce

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I feel your pain! Just went through this exact same situation last year when I started my first job in San Francisco at $58k. That 31% withholding rate hit me like a truck too. Here's what I learned: California really does have some of the highest tax rates in the country, but there are legitimate ways to optimize your situation. First, double-check that you filled out your W-4 correctly - the new form can be confusing and small mistakes can cost you hundreds per month. Second, if your employer offers a 401k with matching, definitely take advantage of it even if money is tight. Contributing even 3-4% pre-tax will reduce your taxable income and lower your withholding immediately. For example, on a $55k salary, contributing 3% ($1,650/year) could save you roughly $400-500 in taxes, which comes back to you throughout the year in smaller withholdings. Also look into whether you qualify for the California Earned Income Credit or other state credits. And keep track of any work-related expenses, student loan interest, or other deductible items. The first year is always the hardest financially, but once you get your withholdings optimized and understand the system better, it gets much more manageable. Hang in there!

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