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As someone who went through this exact same confusion last year, I can confirm that what everyone is saying here is absolutely correct. My company taxes both STD and LTD premiums as imputed income, and after initially being frustrated about it, I now realize it's actually a huge benefit. I did some rough calculations based on my coverage amounts: I'm paying about $18 extra in taxes per paycheck on these premiums (roughly $470 per year). But if I ever need to use my LTD benefits, which would pay $4,200 per month, those payments would be completely tax-free. If I were on disability for even just 6 months, I'd save over $3,000 in taxes compared to if the benefits were taxable. The peace of mind knowing that disability benefits would be tax-free during what would already be a financially stressful time is worth way more than the small tax hit I'm taking now on the premiums. It's actually made me appreciate that my company's benefits team really thought this through from the employee's perspective. For anyone still confused about this, I'd definitely recommend having the conversation with your HR team. Once they explain the reasoning, it makes total sense why they handle it this way.
Those calculations really drive home the financial benefit! $470 per year in extra taxes now versus potentially $3,000+ in tax savings if you need benefits - that's a pretty compelling return on investment. I think what makes this so confusing initially is that we're used to thinking of anything "taxable" on our paystub as a bad thing, when in this case it's actually the employer doing us a favor. It's counterintuitive until you understand the bigger picture. Your point about peace of mind is huge too. Knowing that if something happened and you needed disability benefits, you wouldn't have to worry about a surprise tax bill on top of everything else you'd be dealing with - that's valuable beyond just the dollar amount.
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with the exact same situation and was getting frustrated seeing "STD Taxable Premium" and "LTD Taxable Premium" on my paystub without understanding why. After reading through everyone's explanations, I finally get it - my employer is essentially forcing me to pay a small tax now so that if I ever need disability benefits, they'll be completely tax-free. The math is pretty compelling when you think about it that way. I'm curious about one thing though - does anyone know if there's a way to find out what percentage of companies use each approach? It sounds like both methods are IRS-compliant, but I'm wondering if there's an industry trend toward the "tax now, benefits tax-free later" approach since it seems so much better for employees. Also, for those whose companies switched from one method to the other, was there any advance communication about the change? I'm thinking this is something that would be good to highlight during benefits enrollment periods since most employees probably don't understand the implications.
Great question! I went through this exact situation last year. You should definitely update your W4 with your employer even though you have mail forwarding set up. Here's what I learned: Mail forwarding has limitations - it's temporary and some tax documents are marked "do not forward" or "return service requested." My employer's HR told me that W2s and other tax forms often fall into this category, so they could end up going back to the sender instead of being forwarded to you. Also, updating your address on your W4 isn't just about mail delivery. Your employer needs your current address for their records, and it gets reported to various tax agencies. If there's ever a mismatch between what the IRS has on file and what your employer reports, it could cause complications. The process is super simple - just contact your HR department or log into your employee portal if they have one. Most companies make it really easy to update this information online now. Better to spend 5 minutes doing it right than dealing with missing documents during tax season!
This is really helpful advice! I'm actually in a similar situation - just moved within the same state but different county. Quick question though - when you say "return service requested" documents, does that mean they automatically go back to the employer, or do they just get lost in the mail system? Also, did you have to update your address anywhere else besides the W4, like with your state tax agency or anything like that?
Great question! When documents are marked "return service requested," they get sent back to the employer rather than just getting lost. The employer is supposed to hold onto them for you, but as someone else mentioned in this thread, that doesn't always work smoothly - you might not even know they have it until you're scrambling during tax season. As for other places to update your address, yes! Since you moved to a different county, you'll definitely want to update your address with your state tax agency too. Many states require you to notify them of address changes within a certain timeframe (usually 30-60 days). You should also update it directly with the IRS using Form 8822 - this is separate from your employer updating your W4. Don't forget about local taxes either! Moving to a different county might mean different local income tax rates, so check if your new area has any city or county taxes that weren't applicable at your old address. Your new HR contact should be able to help you figure out if any additional local tax forms need to be updated too.
This is such a common situation and you're definitely not alone in being confused about it! I made the same mistake a few years ago thinking mail forwarding would be enough. The short answer is yes, you should absolutely update your W4 with your employer. Even though you're staying in the same state, there are several reasons why relying on mail forwarding isn't sufficient: 1. **Mail forwarding is temporary** - USPS forwarding typically lasts 12 months, and some tax documents might arrive after that expires 2. **Some tax documents can't be forwarded** - Many employers send W2s and other tax forms with special mailing instructions that prevent forwarding 3. **Your employer needs accurate records** - They report your address information to tax agencies, so having outdated info can cause mismatches The good news is that updating your address on your W4 won't change your tax withholding amounts unless you also modify other sections like filing status or dependents. It's really just an administrative update. Most companies make this super easy now - you can probably update it through your employee portal online, or just ask HR for a new form. Takes maybe 5 minutes but saves you potential headaches during tax season! Also don't forget to update your address directly with the IRS using Form 8822 - that's separate from what your employer does and ensures any IRS correspondence reaches you.
This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I'm actually dealing with this right now and had no idea about Form 8822 for updating my address directly with the IRS. That seems like a crucial step that a lot of people probably miss. Quick follow-up question - do you know if there's a specific timeline for when I should update everything? Like should I do the W4 with my employer first, then the IRS form, or does the order matter? I moved about 3 weeks ago and just want to make sure I'm not cutting it too close to any deadlines. Also really appreciate the point about employer portals - I completely forgot that most companies have online systems now. Much easier than tracking down HR!
Don't panic! Your situation is actually pretty common and manageable. As a U.S. citizen, you do need to file U.S. tax returns annually regardless of where you live, but with your income level (~$10,000 USD), you likely won't owe any U.S. taxes after applying the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion. Here's what you need to do: 1. File Form 1040 and Form 2555 for the FEIE 2. Consider the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures for catching up on last year - this program is designed for situations exactly like yours 3. Check if you need to file FBAR for your Mexican bank accounts (if combined balance exceeded $10,000 USD at any point) The key thing to remember is that the U.S. has provisions specifically to prevent double taxation. You're already paying taxes in Mexico, so the exclusions and credits should cover you. I'd recommend getting help from a tax professional who specializes in expat situations, or using one of the online tools mentioned above to make sure you're filing everything correctly. You're not the first dual citizen to discover this requirement late - the IRS has programs specifically designed to help people in your situation get compliant without major penalties.
This is really helpful, thank you! I had no idea about the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures - that sounds like exactly what I need. Just to clarify, when you say "won't owe any U.S. taxes after applying the FEIE," does that mean I can exclude my entire $10,000 income? And for the FBAR requirement, is that based on the highest balance at any single point during the year, or an average? I'm trying to figure out if my Mexican savings account would trigger this requirement.
Yes, with the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion you can exclude your entire $10,000 income - the 2024 limit is $120,000, so you're well under that threshold. This means you'd likely owe zero U.S. federal income tax. For FBAR, it's based on the highest aggregate balance of ALL your foreign accounts at any single point during the year. So if your Mexican checking account had $8,000 and your savings had $3,000 at the same time, that would be $11,000 total and trigger the FBAR requirement. It's not an average - just the peak combined balance. The Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures are perfect for your situation. You'll need to file the last 3 years of tax returns and 6 years of FBARs (if applicable), plus certify that your failure to file was non-willful. Given that you genuinely didn't know about the requirement, you should qualify easily.
As someone who went through this exact situation a few years ago, I want to emphasize a few key points that might help ease your stress: First, you're absolutely not alone in discovering this requirement late - the U.S. is unique in taxing citizens on worldwide income, and many dual citizens living abroad are completely unaware of this obligation initially. Given your income level of roughly $10,000 USD, you're in a very good position. The Foreign Earned Income Exclusion for 2024 is $120,000, so your entire income would be excluded from U.S. taxation. You'll still need to file the returns, but you shouldn't owe any actual tax. For catching up on last year, definitely look into the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures - it's specifically designed for situations like yours where the failure to file was non-willful (meaning you genuinely didn't know about the requirement). This program allows you to get compliant without facing the usual penalties. One thing to watch out for: if you have any Mexican bank accounts, retirement accounts, or investment accounts, make sure you understand the FBAR reporting requirements. This is separate from your tax filing but equally important. The paperwork can seem overwhelming at first, but once you get through the initial catch-up filing, the annual process becomes much more routine. Don't let the stress get to you - with your income level and circumstances, this is very manageable.
This is incredibly reassuring - thank you so much for sharing your experience! I've been losing sleep over this for weeks thinking I was going to owe thousands in penalties or double taxation. Knowing that someone else went through the exact same discovery process and came out fine really helps. I do have a couple of Mexican bank accounts (checking and a small savings account), so I'll definitely need to look into the FBAR requirements. The fact that it's separate from tax filing is good to know - I probably would have missed that completely. The Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures sound like exactly what I need. Is there a specific form or process to start that, or do I just file the back returns and indicate it was non-willful? Also, did you end up using a professional or handle it yourself? I'm trying to decide if this is something I can tackle on my own or if I should get expert help. Really appreciate you taking the time to share this - it's making what felt like an impossible situation seem actually manageable!
Don't forget about requesting penalty abatement! After I filed my back taxes (3 years worth), I submitted a penalty abatement request using the "First Time Penalty Abatement" policy and got almost $2800 in penalties removed. The IRS doesn't advertise this option but it exists if you haven't had previous penalties in the past 3 years.
You can request First Time Penalty Abatement by calling the IRS directly once your returns are filed and processed. There's no specific form for this particular type of abatement. When you call, specifically ask for "First Time Penalty Abatement" and explain your situation. If calling makes you nervous, you can also send a written request via a letter that references IRS Internal Revenue Manual 20.1.1.3.3.2.1. Include your identifying information, the tax periods you're requesting abatement for, and a brief explanation of why you believe you qualify. I found calling to be faster though.
Ben, I completely understand the anxiety you're feeling - I was in a very similar situation a few years ago as a freelance photographer with 2 unfiled years. The good news is that the IRS really does work with people who come forward voluntarily. Here's my step-by-step recommendation based on what worked for me: 1. **Get professional help immediately** - Find a CPA or Enrolled Agent who specializes in back taxes and self-employment. This isn't the time for DIY software given your multiple years and SE income. 2. **Gather everything systematically** - Don't stress about perfect organization yet. Just separate income records (1099s, client payments) and expense receipts by tax year (2022, 2023, 2024). 3. **File in the right order** - Your tax pro will likely recommend preparing all three years but filing them strategically. Usually most recent year first to get you back in compliance status. 4. **Payment plan is very doable** - The IRS offers reasonable installment agreements. With your income levels, you'll likely qualify for a monthly payment plan that won't break the bank. 5. **Don't panic about penalties** - Yes, there will be some, but there are abatement options available, especially for first-time situations with reasonable cause like yours. The hardest part is taking that first step, which you're already doing by posting here. You've got this!
This is such helpful advice, Ava! I'm curious about the timeline - how long did the whole process take for you from start to finish? I'm wondering if Ben should expect this to drag on for months or if it can be resolved relatively quickly once he gets started with a tax professional. Also, did you find that having those 2 unfiled years affected your ability to get business loans or credit during that time? I'm asking because I'm in a somewhat similar boat and wondering about the broader financial implications beyond just the IRS situation.
Marcus Williams
This thread has been incredibly informative! I'm dealing with a similar family property situation and had no idea there were so many layers to consider. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the impact on homestead exemptions. In many states, if your father has been claiming a homestead exemption on the property (which reduces property taxes), transferring ownership could affect his ability to maintain that exemption. Some states allow it to continue if he retains life estate rights, but others don't. Also, regarding the renovation timing question that came up earlier - there's another angle to consider. If you do major improvements while your brother still owns the property, those improvements might trigger a property tax reassessment even before any ownership transfer happens. In some areas, pulling permits for major renovations automatically flags the property for reassessment. I'd suggest checking with your county assessor's office about their specific policies on both ownership transfers and improvement-triggered reassessments. Every county seems to handle these differently, and it could significantly impact your decision on timing. The documentation advice everyone's giving is spot-on though. I learned that lesson the hard way with a previous property transaction where we didn't keep proper records of improvements. The IRS basically treated our improvement costs as zero because we couldn't prove them adequately. Thanks for starting this discussion - it's given me a much better roadmap for handling our own family situation!
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ThunderBolt7
ā¢This is such a valuable addition to the discussion! The homestead exemption point is something I completely overlooked, and it could make a huge financial difference for families in this situation. Your point about renovation-triggered reassessments is also really important. It sounds like there's potentially a narrow window where you'd want to do the ownership transfer after any major permits are pulled but before the improvements are completed - assuming that's even possible with the timing of everything. I'm curious about your experience with the IRS not accepting improvement costs due to poor documentation. Was this during an audit, or did it come up when you were calculating capital gains on a sale? I'm trying to understand at what point they typically scrutinize those records and what level of documentation they expect. Also, do you know if digital receipts and photos of work in progress would be sufficient documentation, or do they prefer paper trails? With a major gut renovation like the original poster is planning, there are going to be a LOT of receipts to manage! Thanks for sharing that hard-learned lesson about record keeping - it's exactly the kind of real-world insight that could save others from making the same costly mistake.
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Ethan Clark
This has been an incredibly comprehensive discussion! As someone who's been lurking on this community for a while but never posted, I finally feel compelled to jump in because I just went through almost this exact situation with my family. We transferred my grandmother's house from my aunt to me last year while grandma continued living there, and I wish I'd had access to all this advice beforehand! A few additional considerations that might help: **Timing with contractors:** If you're planning a major renovation, consider coordinating the ownership transfer with your contractor timeline. We made the mistake of transferring ownership right in the middle of getting permits and bids, which created confusion about who had authority to sign contracts and make decisions. Some contractors were hesitant to work with me until we clarified the ownership situation. **Utility transfers:** Beyond just updating insurance as someone mentioned, don't forget about utility accounts, especially if your dad has any senior discounts or budget billing arrangements. We almost lost my grandmother's longstanding senior citizen discount on her electric bill during the transfer process. **Consider a "dry run" with smaller decisions first:** Before diving into a major gut renovation, maybe test out the family dynamics around property decisions with something smaller. We discovered that even though everyone agreed on the transfer in principle, there were different opinions about renovation choices that created tension later. The trust option that was mentioned really does seem like it might be worth exploring for your situation. It would give you clear authority for the renovation decisions while protecting everyone's interests. Thanks for starting this thread - it's been educational for everyone involved!
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